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Postby TheCatt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:58 am

Leisher wrote:Source of the post Not only that, but how can a socialist be called a progressive?

1) Progressive sounds better.

2) People want socialism. A lot of people have not done well in the past 30 years in the US.
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Postby Leisher » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:01 am

TheCatt wrote:Source of the post 1) Progressive sounds better.


No, how can someone being a socialist equal being progressive. Socialism would be a backwards step.

TheCatt wrote:Source of the post 2) People want socialism. A lot of people have not done well in the past 30 years in the US.


So because they're ignorant and/or lazy we have to drag the rest of the country down to their standards? Originally, I was willing to say nice things like unlucky and whatnot, but let's be honest, if you haven't done even a small bit of research on the political system you're begging for, then you are indeed ignorant and lazy.

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Postby GORDON » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:06 am

"I want free money.". Core beliefs of.most socialists.
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Postby TheCatt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:14 am

Leisher wrote:Source of the post No, how can someone being a socialist equal being progressive. Socialism would be a backwards step.

I mean, logically, you're right. It's branding.
Leisher wrote:Source of the post So because they're ignorant and/or lazy we have to drag the rest of the country down to their standards?

I read something about a year ago, that basically said within the US, most wealth generation has gone to the upper class (duh). But, more interesting was that worldwide, a lot of wealth generation had gone to developing economies, building wealthy and middle classes in those countries. Wealth that prior to the 80s was going to the middle class in the developed economies. So they've benefited at the expense of many Americans.
if you haven't done even a small bit of research on the political system you're begging for, then you are indeed ignorant and lazy.

I would guess their goal is European-style socialism, rather than full socialism.
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Postby TheCatt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:15 am

GORDON wrote:Source of the post "I want free money.". Core beliefs of.most socialists.

I support free public education, and cheap/nearly free post-secondary education. I'm close to universal healthcare as well, since ours is such a disaster. I think people should get a relatively equal start in life.
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Postby Vince » Wed Jun 27, 2018 12:33 pm

TheCatt wrote:I read something about a year ago, that basically said within the US, most wealth generation has gone to the upper class (duh). But, more interesting was that worldwide, a lot of wealth generation had gone to developing economies, building wealthy and middle classes in those countries. Wealth that prior to the 80s was going to the middle class in the developed economies. So they've benefited at the expense of many Americans.

True, but the "many Americans" they've benefited from have also benefited. The middle class in a lot of those countries your talking about still have a lower standard of living than our middle class. Income equality is a standard brought up to elicit an emotional response. What you have or what you're deprived of is what really matters. Venezuela at one point last year had the least income inequality on the planet. I'm sure the guy eating his dog would have rather been in the bottom 5% of income earners if it meant a food pantry.

Here is a GREAT site for comparing countries. I just did a quick check against Denmark and Canada and aside from the cost of the Internet, we look pretty good.

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Postby GORDON » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:00 pm

TheCatt wrote:Source of the post
GORDON wrote:Source of the post "I want free money.". Core beliefs of.most socialists.

I support free public education, and cheap/nearly free post-secondary education. I'm close to universal healthcare as well, since ours is such a disaster. I think people should get a relatively equal start in life.


Really, I don't have a problem with that.

I don't like the complete divorce of consequences, from actions, that we've achieved. Bad decisions have been handwaved away as bad luck, or worse, "It wasn't fair."
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Postby Leisher » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:00 pm

GORDON wrote:Source of the post
I don't like the complete divorce of consequences, from actions, that we've achieved. Bad decisions have been handwaved away as bad luck, or worse, "It wasn't fair."


Couldn't agree more.

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Postby GORDON » Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:06 pm

Leisher wrote:Source of the post
GORDON wrote:Source of the post
I don't like the complete divorce of consequences, from actions, that we've achieved. Bad decisions have been handwaved away as bad luck, or worse, "It wasn't fair."


Couldn't agree more.


You should agree. I'm very insightful. Agreeing with me speaks well of your character.
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Postby Leisher » Sat Aug 11, 2018 5:47 pm

Putting this here because...well, you'll get it.

Listening to the latest Bill Simmons podcast and he was talking to a Hollywood writer. They got into a topic covering how many people in Hollywood attempt to talk sports, but clearly have no clue what they're talking about. They usually can only name the biggest name athletes and bullet points they might get from headlines. They don't actually know the games.

Doesn't take a scientist to replace sports with politics in that statement and realize you'll get the same results.

Another interesting thing they touched on was ESPN. Remember when ESPN personalities were spouting on politics non-stop? Notice how that completely stopped? That was Bob Iger from Disney who shut that shit down.

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