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Postby TheCatt » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:34 pm

Leisher wrote:Source of the post And that short sightedness is one of the biggest problems humanity has always faced.

Sure, it's like rewarding people that get out of a crisis, instead of rewarding people who avoid the crisis in the first place.
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Postby Leisher » Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:52 pm

I liken it more to having to change your entire society to help people get out of a crisis they invented then throwing them a fucking parade.
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Postby Leisher » Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:50 pm

Well, for 72 minutes the men were doing well. Still a good showing.
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Postby TheCatt » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:49 pm

I understand the women want equality of pay, but I think they'd need more equivalent revenue.
The 2015 Women’s World Cup generated almost $73 million, the 2018 men’s tournament generated an estimated $6.1 billion in revenue.
That's 2 orders of magnitude. Granted, the years are different, but I assume the 2019 #s will be higher, but comparable.

Forbes article. The men's champion in 2018 only got 10x what the women's champ will get this year. 1 order of magnitude, despite the 100x revenue.
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Postby TheCatt » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:57 pm

The more relevant data, for the US team, is US revenue to the association. This article digs into those numbers.

In fiscal 2018, the U.S. Soccer Federation had total operating revenue of $101.4 million. Almost half was generated by sponsorships and around one-quarter can be attributed to revenue from games played by the national teams, according to USSF financial documents.
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However, we can’t directly attribute this increase to either team. USSF sells sponsorships (which include broadcast rights for all U.S. Soccer games) as a bundle. The documents we reviewed don’t distinguish which team brings in more sponsorships or how sponsorship dollars are allocated.

Interestingly, the women's games have been producing more revenue lately, since the men FAILED TO QUALIFY in 2018. But, back in 2015, the men brought in significantly more, but only on the order of ~10% of total revenue (so let's say $55M for Men, $45M for women)

Based on friendlies, women earn 38 to 89% of what a man would earn for the same schedule, depending on wins/losses (38% = win all 20 games, 89% = lose all 20 games).

One argument I don't buy is the WC distributions. Basically, the men have a much larger pool (see previous post), so get a lot more $$$ even when they lose. But the womens' team's lawyer is argue that the federation shouldn't care about FIFA's "discrimination"
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Postby Leisher » Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:46 pm

Basically their argument is bad business and they're going to end up hurting themselves in the process.

What businessperson wants to pay more for less?
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Postby TheCatt » Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:30 pm

I wonder when we'll see some trans players at the women's world cup, and for what team(s)?
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Postby Leisher » Mon Jul 29, 2019 11:05 pm

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Postby Leisher » Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:24 pm

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Postby Leisher » Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:38 pm

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Postby TheCatt » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:02 am

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Postby Leisher » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:54 am

Going to be tough to find a solution that makes everyone happy when one side refuses to acknowledge a huge lack of interest in their product.
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