The top-earning 20 percent of Americans — those making more than $100,000 each year...
At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, government data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.
Interesting. So the 5%-20% range make $100-180k/year. That's more of the population than I would have guessed.
Little confession, here.... I really was hoping he meant it when he said that 90% of America would not be seeing their taxes go up. But I was never stupid enough to believe it like soooo many other people were.
Little confession, here.... I really was hoping he meant it when he said that 90% of America would not be seeing their taxes go up. But I was never stupid enough to believe it like soooo many other people were.
I will pay it if by chance the roads here are better. It hasn't changed since what 1993? What hasn't been raised since 93?
Little confession, here.... I really was hoping he meant it when he said that 90% of America would not be seeing their taxes go up. But I was never stupid enough to believe it like soooo many other people were.
Alright. I'm jumping on the "shittier prez than Carter" bandwagon. Wonder how long it'll be before he overtakes Nixon.
Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:45 pm
by Troy
TheCatt wrote:
The top-earning 20 percent of Americans — those making more than $100,000 each year...
At the top, the wealthiest 5 percent of Americans, who earn more than $180,000, added slightly to their annual incomes last year, government data show. Families at the $50,000 median level slipped lower.
Interesting. So the 5%-20% range make $100-180k/year. That's more of the population than I would have guessed.
At a Saturday-evening fundraiser held in the home of a wealthy Massachusetts hospital executive, President Obama suggested Democrats are having difficulties in midterm campaigning because Americans simply aren't thinking clearly.
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It's not the first time Obama has ventured into psychology to explain the public's resistance to Democratic policies. In a now-infamous April 2008 speech to a similarly posh fundraiser in San Francisco, Obama discussed Pennsylvanians who had seen their standard of living decline in recent years by saying: "It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." In the ensuing controversy over his remarks, Obama did not apologize or back down from his position but conceded he had made "poor word choices."
See, it's because our brains aren't working, not that he sucks.
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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:46 am
by unkbill
I agree with him.
And you might as well just change the words to what you want Obama to have said to make him look bad if you aren't going to quote him fully.
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:44 am
by GORDON
Sorry, I guess I was confused and not thinking clearly.
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:15 am
by GORDON
There needs to be a name for the condition of believing someone to be mentally deficient just because they have a different opinion about politics.
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:08 am
by DoctorChaos
Having read the entire article, he has a point about reacting to fear. However, it doesn't change the fact it is an arrogant thing to say. This further proves he's a elitist zealot who thinks he knows better than the people who give him his power. I'm anxious to see how this resulting quagmire is going to work itself out.
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:13 am
by Leisher
I agree with him.
You agree with him in what way?
Are you honestly implying that if people thought about it, they'd see how effective his policies are and how they're going to help this country?
Obama is the extreme left. He's a socialist and he's implementing socialist policies that are doomed to fail. That's not opinion. It's fact. Socialism doesn't work. Ask Europe. Ask Canada whose health care system is failing so badly that they want to copy the U.S.'s current system (not Obama Care). Ask Greece. Ask Spain. Ask Italy. Ask California who is thisclose to filing bankruptcy. Ask New York. Ask Chicago. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Any place dominated by Democrats/Liberals (I realize not all Dems are liberals, but that's another argument) is in the process of failing. If they and Obama are so right, why are their strongholds suffering?
And understand, I'm not a Republican, nor do I disagree with all Democratic political beliefs. However, I'm smart enough to know that we as a nation shouldn't be pandering to the lowest common denominator.
There are many who believe such pandering (the constant "freebies" our government hands out) is simply a way to control the populace and secure their votes. I happen to believe a percentage of moves by both parties is exactly that.
However, many Dem and liberal voters will say they're simply trying to help people, thus the socialist policies. Well, those folks need to wake the fuck up. The reality is that you can't save everyone. Human nature doesn't allow it. People can be lazy, stupid, and self-destructive and there's nothing you can do about it. By trying to force society into helping these people, all we do is drag everyone else down to their level. Don't you see that by digging downward to level the playing field, we all go down?
I'm not against government programs designed to help people out, but there has to be limits, it has to be run well, and it cannot be mandatory.
Handouts are bankrupting this country. That's not opinion, it's fact.
And you might as well just change the words to what you want Obama to have said to make him look bad if you aren't going to quote him fully.
Show me the full quote that doesn't make him come off as an elitist prick who thinks Americans are his fucking serfs.
In 2005, Kidd sued Ashcroft and other officials, contending they had violated his constitutional rights by arresting him without probable cause.
Ashcroft moved to dismiss the suit, arguing that as the nation's chief prosecutor, he was absolutely immune from such claims.
You'd think the current administration, after doing nothing but blasting the previous one and pointing out how they'd run shit differently, would be all for crucifying the bastard. But no...
Obama administration lawyers appealed on Ashcroft's behalf and asserted that it would "severely damage law enforcement" if the nation's top law enforcement official could be held liable for abusing his authority.
Are you honestly implying that if people thought about it, they'd see how effective his policies are and how they're going to help this country?
Obama is the extreme left. He's a socialist and he's implementing socialist policies that are doomed to fail. That's not opinion. It's fact. Socialism doesn't work. Ask Europe. Ask Canada whose health care system is failing so badly that they want to copy the U.S.'s current system (not Obama Care). Ask Greece. Ask Spain. Ask Italy. Ask California who is thisclose to filing bankruptcy. Ask New York. Ask Chicago. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Any place dominated by Democrats/Liberals (I realize not all Dems are liberals, but that's another argument) is in the process of failing. If they and Obama are so right, why are their strongholds suffering?
And understand, I'm not a Republican, nor do I disagree with all Democratic political beliefs. However, I'm smart enough to know that we as a nation shouldn't be pandering to the lowest common denominator.
There are many who believe such pandering (the constant "freebies" our government hands out) is simply a way to control the populace and secure their votes. I happen to believe a percentage of moves by both parties is exactly that.
However, many Dem and liberal voters will say they're simply trying to help people, thus the socialist policies. Well, those folks need to wake the fuck up. The reality is that you can't save everyone. Human nature doesn't allow it. People can be lazy, stupid, and self-destructive and there's nothing you can do about it. By trying to force society into helping these people, all we do is drag everyone else down to their level. Don't you see that by digging downward to level the playing field, we all go down?
I'm not against government programs designed to help people out, but there has to be limits, it has to be run well, and it cannot be mandatory.
Handouts are bankrupting this country. That's not opinion, it's fact.
And you might as well just change the words to what you want Obama to have said to make him look bad if you aren't going to quote him fully.
Show me the full quote that doesn't make him come off as an elitist prick who thinks Americans are his fucking serfs.
I agree with him becuse people are scared and that makes them not think right. I also thnk other people right here in Ohio are trying to pray on that fear. Do you actually think it is the governors fault Ohio has lost 300,000 jobs. Or could it possible have been fall out from what the assholes on Wallstreet have brought down on us?
As for the beginning of this. It is a half quote. Half quotes I equate to half truths to shade your arguement to prove your view. I look at it as you might as well tell a lie about that person. To me it is the same thing. I hate to be lied to just to sway my opionion.
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:50 pm
by GORDON
When the government has so many strings attached to business, at every level, from regulations to taxing them at every level to being beholden to lobbyists, then yes, I do believe government shares some of the blame when the economy gets fucked.
I very much blame the assholes in the government for the mess, and I am neither afraid of or confused about it. I provided the links for why I have the opinions I do. Facts is facts.
The reason that elected officials can't answer, "How do you create jobs" just further pisses me off, because anyone who has taken business 101 can provide a decent answer to that question.
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You make it easier for business to hire, Blumenthal you fucking idiot.
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:22 am
by Leisher
Remember how Obamacare critics said it would lead to employers dropping health care for their employees?