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GORDON wrote:
I'd bet a dollar that I have a smaller carbon footprint than anyone else on this forum, but I have no illusions that, globally, I'm making any difference to the environment.

Maybe. I drive a lot less than you. And my house is shared with 3 other people, so I only get 25% of that blame

Do.you drive a used electric car?

GORDON wrote:I'd bet a dollar that I have a smaller carbon footprint than anyone else on this forum, but I have no illusions that, globally, I'm making any difference to the environment.

I live on a tree farm, so I'd take that bet.

GORDON wrote: Do.you drive a used electric car?

I walk.

Have you seen what those chemicals in batteries are doing to the poor Earth?

Vince wrote:

GORDON wrote:I'd bet a dollar that I have a smaller carbon footprint than anyone else on this forum, but I have no illusions that, globally, I'm making any difference to the environment.

I live on a tree farm, so I'd take that bet.

Oooo. .ok, I'll start a new thread where we can brag about our carbon sinks.

When I get around to it.

TheCatt wrote:

GORDON wrote: Do.you drive a used electric car?

I walk.

Have you seen what those chemicals in batteries are doing to the poor Earth?

I bought a used car. The batteries already existed, and didn't get produced just for me.

Also the chemicals came out of the earth in the first place.

And used batteries don't choke sea turtles, which is the benchmark for if something is bad.

GORDON wrote: And used batteries don't choke sea turtles,

Depends on whether their electricity comes from windmills made from straws or not.

I think we're finally learning to communicate.

Also that "grains of sand" thing is dumb. Every person in America could stop using all plastic today, and the amount of.plastic in the ocean will continue to increase.

GORDON wrote: and the amount of.plastic in the ocean will continue to increase.

but at a slower rate.

I disagree with that.

GORDON wrote: I disagree with that.

Why? How?

Because the USA aren't the ones dumping trash in the ocean... As has been illustrated time and again.

"I'm just arguing.". You aren't fooling me.

GORDON wrote: Because the USA aren't the ones dumping trash in the ocean... As has been illustrated time and again.

"I'm just arguing.". You aren't fooling me.

Oh, no, you're just wrong on this one. The US is absolutely putting plastic into the ocean, as has been illustrated time and time again. China and SE Asia is much worse, but the US is absolutely a contributor. If you believe otherwise, you are 100% wrong.

OMG WE ONLY NEED TO MOVE OUR GRAIN OF SAND. Hippie.

I'd prefer to actually do something worthwhile, and not pretend.

GORDON wrote: I'd prefer to actually do something worthwhile, and not pretend.

I'd rather do something, than nothing.

TheCatt wrote:

GORDON wrote: I'd prefer to actually do something worthwhile, and not pretend.

I'd rather do something, than nothing.

Ditto

Even if the something makes people complacent?

GORDON wrote: Even if the something makes people complacent?

I'm going to go ahead and say yes. We can go burning platform (which you have already said you hate), or we can slowly move the goalposts. I'll take goalposts.

Do you do any environmental volunteer work, increasing education, or cleaning up a local riverbank... Things that might actually make a solid difference..., or is your concern limited to placing rules on other people?

GORDON wrote: Do you do any environmental volunteer work, increasing education, or cleaning up a local riverbank... Things that might actually make a solid difference..., or is your concern limited to placing rules on other people?

I do.

So na na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.