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TheCatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:59 am

GORDON wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:43 am I suspect there are a lot of rust belt cities that used to be heavy manufacturing.... they would welcome a couple thousand factory jobs because gig work is ridiculous.

Yeah, people love hard labor for $12-16 / hour.

I assumed it would be 100% union these days. Are there any non-union factories/manufacturing plants in the USA?

Plus health insurance alone. DoorDash doesn't have it.

My local amazon warehouse starts at $22 an hour. I don't recall if they're unionized, but it isn't manufaturing.

GORDON wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:07 am I assumed it would be 100% union these days. Are there any non-union factories/manufacturing plants in the USA?

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In 2023, approximately 7.9% of manufacturing workers in the US were union members.

Well TIL.

Just googled, $14 is average salary, but I assume that's on top of bennies.

They need an amazon warehouse to open near them.

I guess I don't understand how unions can be so powerful, and so weak, at the same time. They can shut down a company over a strike, but they can't to get into new factory floors? How did they ever get into anywhere in the first place?

I remember in 1999 union electricians and shit doing contract work at Gateway 2000 in North Sioux City would wear large font, pro-union t-shirts while working (changing light bulbs usually). The computer assemblers were not unionized. And Ted Waite openly stated that if the factory floor chose to unionize, he would move it out of South Dakota (which must have already been in the works anyway, considering what happened in the years after).

So I never gave that situation many brain processing cycles, but I guess that must be the common thing.

GORDON wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 9:53 am I guess I don't understand how unions can be so powerful, and so weak, at the same time. They can shut down a company over a strike, but they can't to get into new factory floors? How did they ever get into anywhere in the first place?

They were big in the mid/early 1900s, and have been falling out of favor ever since. Big in auto mfg, Hollywood, but not so big elsewhere, afaik.

Without a Jimmy Hoffa threatening to murder the boss's family I guess there isn't much incentive to just pay your people more.

TheCatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 14, 2025 8:59 am Yeah, people love hard labor for $12-16 / hour.

To be fair, most plant jobs aren't necessarily hard labor these days.

Also, let's (mostly) remove the massive safety nets for people to not work. At least eliminate the loopholes that enable healthy working aged people to stay at home and live comfortably enough to not need a job.

Pete's got an issue, and should be removed.

Although, Ds making jokes about it is interesting considering the drunk they just tried to make president.

Leisher wrote: ↑Mon Apr 21, 2025 1:22 pm Pete's got an issue, and should be removed.

Although, Ds making jokes about it is interesting considering the drunk they just tried to make president.

who?

Go ahead and answer your own question. I'm sure you want to respond with something.

It worries me that I've heard multiple people talk about fucking couches. I've never seen a sexy couch.

Leisher wrote: ↑Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:39 am It worries me that I've heard multiple people talk about fucking couches. I've never seen a sexy couch.

Clearly you've been hanging out with the wrong couches (NSFW).

OK, i tried to find women together in the shape of a couch, but the internet failed me

I saw that. I also saw people linking to old Larry David stuff where he ripped people for calling Trump racist. I guess calling him Adolf is ok?

Bill Maher is the latest D to get publicly eaten by his own for daring to not goose step exactly as the party dictates. Other notable names include: Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Zuck, and ironically, Donald Trump.

I think Larry's article is a great example of the division in this country, the very unfortunate "us vs them" mentality, and how working together politically is a thing of the past. It is also yet another red flag on our path to bloodshed.

To find the article remotely relevant or insightful, you have to believe Trump is "literally Hitler". And then you have to really believe that simply having a conversation with a political opponent is akin to doing so with Satan. Seriously? This is where we are? We refuse to even have a discussion with our political opponents? We just want to dehumanize them as much as possible so that it justifies ignoring and silencing them, not to mention, increasingly become more violent in speech and actions towards them.

Sounds like a very familiar story that has played out many times throughout history.

Larry David's entire op-ed could be answered with, "Ok, boomer."

This is dumb. Trump is a terrible person doing terrible things, it's OK to treat him like a piece of shit, because he is one.

But it's lame when you try too hard.