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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 5:59 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:
I'm OK with this. Doctors need more competition.
I'm fine w\ it if they're trained properly. It doesn't take a damn genius to dispense most prescriptions or diagnose/treat lots of illnesses. But you can't be a complete twit, either.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:08 pm
by GORDON
Will the nurses also be regulated by the AMA? If so, there's still no competition for doctors.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:16 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:Will the nurses also be regulated by the AMA? If so, there's still no competition for doctors.
I think this quote from the article answers your question:
The American Medical Association, which supported the national health care overhaul, says a doctor shortage is no reason to put nurses in charge and endanger patients
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:29 pm
by GORDON
Hmm.
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:20 pm
by Malcolm
Why wouldn't everyone just compensate by jacking up the requirements/costs/fees/insurance for what you need to be considered a "nurse?"
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 11:22 pm
by GORDON
Why don't we just make membership in the AMA optional?
But now we're getting off topic.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 7:52 am
by TheCatt
Malcolm wrote:Why wouldn't everyone just compensate by jacking up the requirements/costs/fees/insurance for what you need to be considered a "nurse?"
Well, for now, nurses cover a wide range of services. And this is a way for the ANA to grab more of the healthcare lottery that Obama got passed.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 8:57 am
by unkbill
For years, nurse practitioners have been playing a bigger role in the nation's health care,
My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor. As far as I was concerned he was as good as a doctor and had to have everything approved threw a doctor.
Pharmacy's do it everyday. In Ohio there only has to be one pharmacist for every thirteen people working in the pharmacy. I think the ratio should be smaller but they haven't killed me yet.
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2010 10:38 am
by Leisher
My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor.
That's because the VA is easily the worst government run health care system in the world. You NEVER see a doctor upon your first visit. You're lucky if you ever see one. They simply don't pay for them.
If the government can't take care of this country's veterans, how good do you think health care for normal people is going to be?
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:19 am
by unkbill
Leisher wrote:My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor.
That's because the VA is easily the worst government run health care system in the world. You NEVER see a doctor upon your first visit. You're lucky if you ever see one. They simply don't pay for them.
If the government can't take care of this country's veterans, how good do you think health care for normal people is going to be?
I think my dads NP was a great guy who did his job well. As for government run health care. To me the VA and gov run health care are worlds apart. The VA they just screw the vets. In the world of medicine there is a lot of money to be made.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:24 pm
by Leisher
I think my dads NP was a great guy who did his job well.
That's great, however my comments had nothing to do with whether or not that nurse was any good.
And one person being a good nurse doesn't mean the system isn't fucked. For your one good nurse I'll give you thousands of fucked over vets.
As for government run health care. To me the VA and gov run health care are worlds apart.
Please explain that. Is it because the government runs one, and the government runs...the...other...? It's the same thing.
The VA they just screw the vets.
I know you don't mean that as if it's a positive...
In the world of medicine there is a lot of money to be made.
In what way do you think "there is a lot of money to be made" equates to good health care, particularly in a socialized system?
Maybe you haven't noticed, but all these countries with socialized health care are bankrupt or going bankrupt. On top of that, do you know where their rich people and difficult cases go to get proper medical care? HERE!!!
Will someone make a lot of money off socialized health care? Yes. Will it be done in the name of giving us good health care? No, it'll be the exact opposite. Remember, cutting costs means more money...
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:40 pm
by unkbill
I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:05 pm
by Malcolm
unkbill wrote:As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
Maybe we should stop spending so much cash buying everyone in the country a health care pony, then.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:28 pm
by TPRJones
I approve of all these changes. It just brings us that much closer to the Second Revolution and the founding of America II.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:38 pm
by unkbill
TPRJones wrote:I approve of all these changes. It just brings us that much closer to the Second Revolution and the founding of America II.
Amen
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 4:29 pm
by Leisher
I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
If our forefathers thought that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:05 pm
by unkbill
Leisher wrote:I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
If our forefathers thought that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
That might be true. But look what our own government does to the people that fought so we could argue. Every person that ever served should have a free medical ride for life. And make that the best medical available. I think you are aware of what they get.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:09 pm
by GORDON
Sheeeit, former service members aren't even allowed to sue the government if they found out the water they drank on Camp Lejeune for 3 years was tainted with paint thinner.
Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:24 pm
by GORDON
He mocks tax protesters.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic....TION=US
Does this guy ever even pretend to have class?
Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:26 pm
by GORDON
Wow, look what happens when your polling numbers are plummeting.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ailures
You pander in a different direction.
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