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At any rate, I'm just glad the judicial branch remembered they are allowed to check the power of the executive branch. It's been a while.

So that court order is only for people who are landed already, or landing, it's a brief stay. But hopefully a sign of things to come.

As for the bill of rights, I'd THINK that it applies to green-card holders in the US, but I could be wrong.

Did someone ask for another hopeless Middle East quagmire?

Trump wants 'comprehensive strategy' for defeating ISIS in 30 days

Because the U.S. has such a fantastic record with regards to sticking its dick in power struggles over there.

I'm not up on the minutia of the EO, but not sure which right from the Bill of Rights we're supposedly violating.

For the record, I agree with the ban in principle. Implementation seems to be a little poorly thought out.

I could defeat ISIS in 30 days. I know it for a fact.

But the left would march, again.

I think Trump said that already in a debate.

Troy wrote:I think Trump said that already in a debate.

Trump said he alone could.

Actually, ISIS could be defeated in about 30 seconds, as long as the ICBM launch commander obeyed orders.

But then there's all that marching and littering and dead kids.

Actually, ISIS could be defeated in about 30 seconds, as long as the ICBM launch commander obeyed orders.

No, that's still not going to do it. If they were all nice enough to gather in a tight enough circle far away from civilians, that'd be awesome.

Fucking seriously, take away his twitter account.

Dipshit Drumpf on Sunday blasted The New York Times, referring to the publication as "fake news."

But the Enquirer, that's legit.

Puppet speaks.

Speaking with Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday,” Conway said that the travel headaches caused by the executive order are a “small price to pay” in return for security.

Eat a dick.

Malcolm wrote:

Actually, ISIS could be defeated in about 30 seconds, as long as the ICBM launch commander obeyed orders.

No, that's still not going to do it. If they were all nice enough to gather in a tight enough circle far away from civilians, that'd be awesome.

I didn't say to not put an iron ring around the entire region, as well.

GORDON wrote:

Malcolm wrote:

Actually, ISIS could be defeated in about 30 seconds, as long as the ICBM launch commander obeyed orders.

No, that's still not going to do it. If they were all nice enough to gather in a tight enough circle far away from civilians, that'd be awesome.

I didn't say to not put an iron ring around the entire region, as well.

The wall concept again? Only way more expensive.

Nah.

Active determent, human and automated.

I never said "should." I said could.

Green card holders (you know, legal people), now legally allowed to enter the US.

Sad that that has to be a statement.

I agree that implementation has been clumsy.

GORDON wrote:I agree that implementation has been clumsy.

Yeah, a completely unavoidable and unforeseeable snafu has been corrected.

Uber and Lyft donate to ACLU fund.

Hours after Lyft’s co-founders announced a $1-million donation to the American Civil Liberties Union to "defend the
Constitution,” Uber Chief Executive Travis Kalanick pulled out his pocket book as well.

Kalanick promised in a Facebook post that the company would create a $3-million legal defense fund to help drivers affected by the Trump administration's move to restrict immigrants and refugees from seven majority-Muslim countries.

Dipshit Drumpf defends dumb-assery.

“To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion — this is about terror and keeping our country safe."

Really? Still waiting for the Saudi ban. Funny how they're left out. Oh, by the way, he's working on the Muslim ban according to Tooliani.

Former New York mayor Rudy W. Giuliani said President Trump wanted a “Muslim ban” and requested he assemble a commission to show him “the right way to do it legally.”

That would be "none." Yep, totally not about religion...

Trump’s executive order gives preference to refugees fleeing their countries over religious persecution. The president told the Christian Broadcasting Network he aims to prioritize Christian refugees.

Immigration bullshit too right wing for the fucking Kochs.

"We believe it is possible to keep Americans safe without excluding people who wish to come here to contribute and pursue a better life for their families,” Brian Hooks, a co-chairman of the Kochs’ seminar network, said in a statement.

“The travel ban is the wrong approach and will likely be counterproductive,” Hooks added, saying it hinders a Koch goal of promoting a free and open society.
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Koch, 81, refused to support Drumpf's candidacy and had denounced the Republican’s proposed ban on Muslims during the campaign as “reminiscent of Nazi Germany.”

American Basketball players can't quite get back home.

Two American basketball players, Joseph Jones and J.P. Prince, are stranded in Dubai after Iran’s decision to ban U.S. citizens prevented them from returning to the country where they play professionally, Eric Fleisher, the agent for both players, told The Vertical.

Iran’s ban of U.S. citizens was in retaliation to President Donald Trump’s executive order barring refugees and citizens from seven Muslim-majority countries — including Iran — from entering the United States.

My hope that Dipshit Drumpf's cabinet would temper his idiocy appears unfounded.

At this point, I'm just hoping he gets assassinated.

Someone realizes exactly the same thing Malcolm did.

"The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States," the order stated." Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans."
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Dipshit Donald Drumpf's executive order barring immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the US doesn't include the country that most of the 9/11 attackers came from — Saudi Arabia.
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Saudi Arabia has a long history of exporting Wahaabism, a strict strain of Islam that has been blamed for fueling extremism around the world.
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Trump himself called Saudi Arabia the "world's biggest funder of terrorism" in 2011.

I'm sure the Donald is intricately familiar with the theologies of various extreme sects of Islam.

Hmm, I wonder if there might be some other reasons.

Saudi Arabia has been a major US ally for decades. From 2011 to 2015, Saudi Arabia has been the top destination for US arms exports.

Trump also has a personal financial link to Saudi Arabia, as The New York Times noted. The Trump Organization registered eight companies in Saudi Arabia in 2015.

This all seems very much on the up and up.

Leisher wrote:

I expect much more out of cops than everyone else (with the possible exceptions of fire fighters and politicians; I also expect them to also be above reproach or removed from the job).

I laughed.

Yeah. But still, I refuse to lower my standards just because it has become normal for politicians to be even less moral than your used car salesman that is also a loan shark and bookie on the side.

I've seen cops arresting cops...

Good! And yes, I have, too.

...and I've seen cops get away with stuff because they're cops.

This is the part that is a problem. The last quote above does not excuse or in any way reduce the importance of this one. Of course not all cops are scum. I have never said they are. What I have said is that the scum cops are unacceptable, and those that protect them are equally unacceptable and just as much scum.

You seem to think that cops are the root of the problem.

Oh, fuck no. The root of the problem is the politicians and police chiefs that are either evil or incompetent (or probably both). But that doesn't mean the murder cops aren't also murderers, and the cops that lie for them aren't accomplices to murder. There's more than enough blame to go around on this topic.

Do you think a 120 pound female cop working alone stands a chance against one or more male suspects? Really? REALLY?

That depends on way to many factors to be predictable. If it's Ronda Rousey she just might kick the shit out of them all. But I don't think I've heard many people complaining because there's specifically a wave of female cops murdering people and getting away with it, so I'm not sure how this is related.

The second part of your statement is so utterly ridiculous I can't believe you wrote it in anything but jest. ... Those people should be punished by the law.

No, I'm completely serious. But I will accept "all cops that unjustifiably murdered people were charged with and will be tried for murder" as just as good, because that's the ultimate problem with the cops right now. What we need is justice for all, not the selective enforcement of the law we have now that lets the rich and the cops get away with murder without repercussions.

Someone could still potentially get shot accidentally.

Emphasis added. That has nothing to do with our conversation here. We aren't talking about "the kid had a pellet gun altered to look real" situations here. We are talking about "the camera recording shows the perp was turned away from the cop who shot him in the back then lied and claimed the guy pointed a gun at him and the IA board cleared him and lied to the public about there not being any video" type of stuff. Not accidents.

Either way I've said my piece and there's no point in continuing to debate this topic.

Look, if you want us to stop talking about it then stop talking about it. You can't drop a novel on the thread and say "but no one else can respond to this post because my opinion is the only one that matters."

I mean, GORDON could because he owns the board, I guess. But I don't think he'd do that.

TPRJones wrote: I mean, GORDON could because he owns the board, I guess. But I don't think he'd do that.

He only bans people that kill him in Ultima Online. Which I'm going to keep bringing up, forever.