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Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:58 pm
by GORDON
Obviously the climate is changing. It has never not been changing. It's been getting warmer since the last 10k years, when the last ice age ended. It has been much warmer than now, in the past, naturally. The ice caps have been nonexistent at times in the past, too, without any help from man.
Less than 50% of current climate change is caused by man. Greater than zero. And that's just my conclusions based on science I have seen.... I could be wrong. I am not going to tell you the science is settled and pack up the labs.
If I were forced to bet a dollar, I would venture than man is responsible for less than 5% of current climate change.
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:25 pm
by Malcolm
Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2016 1:45 pm
by TPRJones
How overwhelming? According to this and this, roughly 95 percent of climate scientists believe global warming is happening and that humans are to blame.
See, there's a problem here. In order to be a working climate scientist you have to apply for and receive grant funds. And for a couple of decades now grant funds around climate science are only awarded to people who have a study that just per-supposes it's existence and cause. By definition if you are a climate scientist that doesn't toe that line you stop being a climate scientist. So quotes like that above look rather meaningless.
In similar news, 95% of NASCAR drivers believe all cars only turn left.
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:12 am
by TheCatt
Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 10:58 am
by GORDON
The study, conducted by a group of 10 climate scientists from universities around the world, was published Monday in the U.S.'s Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
TPRJones wrote:In order to be a working climate scientist you have to apply for and receive grant funds. And for a couple of decades now grant funds around climate science are only awarded to people who have a study that just per-supposes it's existence and cause. By definition if you are a climate scientist that doesn't toe that line you stop being a climate scientist.
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:45 pm
by TheCatt
No recent pause in global warming
The Remote Sensing System temperature data, promoted by many who reject mainstream climate science and especially most recently by Sen. Ted Cruz, now shows a slight warming of about 0.18 degrees Fahrenheit since 1998. Ground temperature measurements, which many scientists call more accurate, all show warming in the past 18 years.
"There are people that like to claim there was no warming; they really can't claim that anymore," said Carl Mears, the scientist who runs the Remote Sensing System temperature data tracking.
The change resulted from an adjustment Mears made to fix a nagging discrepancy in the data from 15 satellites.
The satellites are in a polar orbit, so they are supposed to go over the same place at about the same time as they circle from north to south pole. Some of the satellites drift a bit, which changes their afternoon and evening measurements ever so slightly. Some satellites had drift that made temperatures warmer, others cooler. Three satellites had thrusters and they stayed in the proper orbit so they provided guidance for adjustments.
Mears said he was "motivated by fixing these differences between the satellites. If the differences hadn't been there, I wouldn't have done the upgrade."
NASA chief climate scientist Gavin Schmidt and Andrew Dessler, a climate scientist at Texas A&M, said experts and studies had shown these problems that Mears adjusted and they both said those adjustments make sense and are well supported in a study in the American Meteorological Society's Journal of Climate.
The study refutes the idea of a pause in global warming, "but frankly common sense and looking at how Earth was responding over the past 18 years kind of makes this finding a 'duh' moment," wrote University of Georgia meteorology professor Marshall Shepherd.
Read more at: ]http://phys.org/news....]
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 2:31 pm
by GORDON
Revamped satellite data
I didn't read TFA, but if this is just more "adjusted data," then of course it is showing what they want it to show.
But it doesn't matter. Sucks they made bbq grills illegal in England, because I don't want that happening here. That's about the only thing I can think that affects me, not counting any "global warming offset tax" they are going to throw on gasoline, eventually.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 4:08 pm
by TheCatt
Basically, the "pause" in global warming was caused due to satellite drift, and this fixed the data.
But yeah, it's all just fraud, not science.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:26 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote:But yeah, it's all just fraud, not science.
So what if it is? Tell me what difference it makes to us regular people.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:51 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:TheCatt wrote:But yeah, it's all just fraud, not science.
So what if it is? Tell me what difference it makes to us regular people.
Death, famine, disaster, floods... on the other hand, more bikini-ready land. But everyone's fat these days.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:05 pm
by GORDON
And I'm melodramatic? You actually proscribe to the "we're all gonna die" stuff?
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:42 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:And I'm melodramatic? You actually proscribe to the "we're all gonna die" stuff?
I was jumping your melodramatic train.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:46 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote:GORDON wrote:And I'm melodramatic? You actually proscribe to the "we're all gonna die" stuff?
I was jumping your melodramatic train.
Well I don't do that in this thread, unless you think my suggestions that there's money and corruption in this game are hyperbolic. That's pretty much the point of the "they're full of shit" thread.
And yeah, your real answer to my question is, "It means absolutely nothing to the little people like you and me."
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Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:06 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote:TheCatt wrote:GORDON wrote:And I'm melodramatic? You actually proscribe to the "we're all gonna die" stuff?
I was jumping your melodramatic train.
Well I don't do that in this thread, unless you think my suggestions that there's money and corruption in this game are hyperbolic. That's pretty much the point of the "they're full of shit" thread.
And yeah, your real answer to my question is, "It means absolutely nothing to the little people like you and me."
I don't know... it's not like the world is static. People will react if it proves out further, people/science will adapt. Bad things will start happening, the question is how far it gets.
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:19 pm
by TheCatt
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:18 pm
by GORDON
In the mean time, I don't like being lied to.
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:59 am
by Leisher
I don't know... it's not like the world is static.
Exactly.
There are so many things wrong with the "man made global warming" argument. From declaring "the debate is over" to using models from computers that can't predict current or past temperatures to ignoring the sun to pretending 180 years of data trumps Earth's millions of years of existence.
I'm all for not polluting and conservation, but I'm not ok with Chicken Little screaming about the sky falling based on bad science and/or fraud.
My biggest problem is that none of the "climate scientists" seem to acknowledge the fact that climate change is a real thing that happens with or without man's intervention.
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:13 pm
by GORDON
The Justice Department has discussed criminalizing my opinion on this subject.
http://tinyurl.com/hwcuom4
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Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:17 pm
by Malcolm
During Lynch’s testimony at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said that he believes there are similarities between the tobacco industry denying scientific studies showing the dangers of using tobacco and companies within the fossil fuel industry denying studies allegedly showing the threat of carbon emissions.
Da fuq?
Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:50 pm
by TPRJones
GORDON wrote:The Justice Department has discussed criminalizing my opinion on this subject.
They're discussing a civil suit against certain companies, not anything regarding criminal law. Still fucked up, though.
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