They mention the possibility of following the Marvel model of 2-3 movies a year...
The thing about Marvel movies is that each character is completely different. Different backgrounds, different powers, different settings, different villains, etc.
I'm not sure there's much power variation among the Jedi...
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:15 pm
by Malcolm
Most Jedi are goddamned pussies.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:20 pm
by GORDON
Qui Gon was a liar and a cheat. Was that unique?
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:36 pm
by Malcolm
Yeah, but he was about the only one and he gets killed. All the other Jedi were bitches about it, too. I suppose I'm calling Samuel L. Jackson a bitch there. Yoda, aside from a few fight scenes, is also a pussy. So is Obi-Wan, and especially Luke.
"I think I'll train him."
"No, train him not."
No wonder anyone with balls goes over to the dark side; they must be illegal or frowned upon by the light.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:39 pm
by Leisher
Malcolm is making an excellent point.
Most Jedi are pacifists and politicians.
Qui Gon was a failure as a Jedi. He enabled Darth Vader and died to the first Sith he encountered.
Captain America is basically a Jedi with actual fighting skills. Something the Jedi lack.
That's where I'd like to see the new movies startchanging things. Give the Jedi new toys and powers. they can still make them force based, but allow them access to more Dark Side stuff. Since Luke's the guy keeping the flame alive, and he had access to the dark side powers, as well as, the light side powers, it makes sense he'd train others to do the same.
And instead of just light sabers have him remember his battles and the importance of being able to defend yourself without your saber or powers.
Qui Gon was a failure as a Jedi. He enabled Darth Vader and died to the first Sith he encountered.
Jedis are failures in that they train with what are clearly weapons of war (lightsabers) and then their nads shrivel up and die as part of the training or something. I know Lucas was trying to push his Force with vague Buddhism overtones, but the "no emotion" part of the Jedi ethos makes the ideal one as flavourless as cardboard. I cannot think of anything so cowardly and telling of insecurity as constant, unrelenting avoidance of something. Feeling's really that dangerous? The mitichlorians can tell you how to get in touch with the Force, the pervasive, all-encompassing field that flows through all things, but they're incapable of performing the equivalent job of an anti-anxiety pill? Are you shit fucking me? We have terms for people that switch off the (as defined by Jung) irrational parts of the brain: feeling and intuition. Those people are called marks or dumb-asses. They are people who are constantly taken advantage of because their hardwired objectivity coupled with incessant optimism create an inability to learn from past fuckups. They are Ned Flanders en masse.
Qui-Gon may've been a bad Jedi, but his death was nothing more than a convenient plot point. His emotions seemed quite under control during combat (wasn't he meditating or whatnot when the force field went up and caused intermission)? As for enabling Vader ... come the fuck on ... like one of the other Force-sensitive assholes in the galaxy wouldn't have picked up on him at some point? Anakin was another self-righteous Jedi bitch that clearly wouldn't survive a modern day high school prom, let alone being a magician/general/diplomat. Maybe had he not been trained by a bitch, he wouldn't have turned out to be a bitch. Maybe if Obi-Wan had knocked his psyche down a few pegs during training, he wouldn't have needed to dismember the angsty fuck that made even Wesley Crusher seem less whiny and annoying by comparison. Maybe if Obi-Wan had stepped his shit up during the Darth Maul fight, Qui-Gon lives and Anakin doesn't turn out to be locker-stuffing fodder.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:15 pm
by GORDON
And even with all that, Qui Gon's advice to young Anikin before the pod race is, "Feel, don't think."
I always hated that line. And philosophy.
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:18 pm
by Malcolm
I'd take that for what it's worth in a race. He was going Mach 1, no time to think. Hell, baseball players don't have time to think when it comes time to swing a bat. Don't get me wrong, thinking's great when you have the time to do it correctly. When time's at a premium, thinking takes too fucking long.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:09 pm
by TPRJones
The problem with the Jedi is they were written by someone with the emotional maturity of a slice of toast. George Lucas couldn't rustle up some empathy and understanding of how real people feel and react if his life depended on it. Thus, the Jedi are cardboard, for they were made in his own image.
I heard today that Mark Hamill is in talks to play Luke in Episode VII.
It looks like they're bringing all the original cast back.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:07 am
by TPRJones
That may be okay. I don't think they should try to sustain an entire movie with them, but if this story is going to be about the next generation or something then it's fine to start it off with grandma and grandpa and their friends in the nursing home.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:51 am
by Leisher
I think Han and Leia should be in some position of power within the former Rebellion. NOT actively out on adventures, but more like Admiral Akbar and Mon Mothra.
As for Luke, he's the one you can still do things with since he's a Jedi. Also, he is the Jedi who was going to bring balance to the force. Thus, he's got light and dark powers. By this point, he should be the king shit of Jedi. A master that makes Obi Wan and the Emperor seem like fledglings.
Luke needs a "moment" in the next film. Remember how the audience went ape shit when Yoda fired up his light saber? Luke deserves that too. Only his needs to be some next level shit.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:55 am
by Malcolm
I still assert that Luke is too much of a pussy to force choke someone convincingly. Every Jedi every portrayed on screen has been a retreat boy scout, Qui-Gon included. The Sith are equally laughably one-sided. The Clone Wars cartoons had characters with more depth.
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:59 am
by Leisher
You didn't read the Timohty Zahn books did you? They were Lucas approved sequels to Jedi.
Luke was a fucking bad ass. He'd use his TK to drive a lightsaber around a room and wipe out a huge group of baddies without moving a muscle.
I think J.J. Abrams will up the machismo factor, just like he did with Star Trek. I mean, Spock wasn't exactly blood thirsty until JJ made him vengeful.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:09 pm
by Malcolm
I said "portrayed on screen."
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:49 pm
by Leisher
Fair enough.
But again, let me point to the new Trek. I don't think JJ will have any kids in pod races, so I think/hope the Jedi will flex a bit more muscle.
Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:52 pm
by GORDON
JJ had a kid drive a corvette off a cliff while Beastie Boys are blaring.
