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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:48 am
by TheCatt
The Times reports that Trump Organization tax records show between 2010 and 2018, President Trump wrote off as business expenses $26 million in "consulting fees." The consultants are not listed by name, but the Times compared the tax records to financial disclosures Ivanka Trump filed when she started working at the White House in 2017 as a senior adviser to her father. Ivanka Trump reported receiving $747,622 in payments from a consulting company she co-owned — the same exact amount in consulting fees the Trump Organization claimed as tax deductions for hotel projects in Hawaii and Vancouver.

As an executive officer with the Trump Organization, Ivanka Trump managed the Hawaii and Vancouver hotel projects, "meaning she appears to have been treated as a consultant on the same hotel deals that she helped manage as part of her job at her father's business," the Times said. Ivanka Trump earned a salary of about $480,000 while serving as an executive with the Trump Organization, and the amount jumped up to $2 million after her father became president, the Times reports; since leaving to work in the White House, she has not received a salary from the company.
"loopholes"

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:57 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote: "loopholes"
We're not allowed to call them that anymore.

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:05 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:
TheCatt wrote: "loopholes"
We're not allowed to call them that anymore.
Honestly, what's above just sounds like fraud.

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:42 pm
by Cakedaddy
And that's my point. If it's illegal/fraud, it's not a loophole. If it's part of the tax code, it's still not a loophole. To, me, what he's doing is challenging the interpretation of something and is hoping he''ll get away with his very loose interpretation. If the IRS looks at it and says "Yep. All legit." it's not a loophole. It's a valid deduction he has every right to take. If they look at it and say "No. This isn't how it works." then it's still not a loophole. He did his taxes incorrectly/fraudulently.

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:48 pm
by GORDON
Thus, my initial reaction of, "Is it illegal?"

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:54 pm
by TheCatt
Cakedaddy wrote: And that's my point. If it's illegal/fraud, it's not a loophole. If it's part of the tax code, it's still not a loophole. To, me, what he's doing is challenging the interpretation of something and is hoping he''ll get away with his very loose interpretation. If the IRS looks at it and says "Yep. All legit." it's not a loophole. It's a valid deduction he has every right to take. If they look at it and say "No. This isn't how it works." then it's still not a loophole. He did his taxes incorrectly/fraudulently.
It's easier to get away with when you continue to gut IRS budgets and blow a bunch of $$$ on lawyers.

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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:40 pm
by GORDON
I assume all the lawyers are to ensure he follows the letter of the law. That's cool of him to spend a lot of $$$ to make sure of that.

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:58 am
by GORDON
Just saw a meme, "Stormy Daniels collected more from trump in 2016 then the irs did." Pretty funny.

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Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 3:46 pm
by TheCatt
It all started when Eric Trump was asked on “Fox & Friends” about a lesbian New Yorker who supports the president.

“I’m telling you, I see it every day, the LGBT community, they are incredible and you should see how they’ve come out in full force for my father every single day. I’m part of that community and we love the man and thank you for protecting our neighborhoods and thank you for protecting our cities,” Trump said.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/eric-trum ... community/

lol

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:01 am
by GORDON
Is this true? Someone else cares more to do the checking, I'm just mildly curious.

Says trump actually paid a shitload in taxes those years.

https://www.westernjournal.com/nyts-hit ... s-treasury

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:12 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Is this true? Someone else cares more to do the checking, I'm just mildly curious.

Says trump actually paid a shitload in taxes those years.

https://www.westernjournal.com/nyts-hit ... s-treasury
It's literally right there in the article.
“Each time, he requested an extension to file his 1040; and each time, he made the required payment to the I.R.S. for income taxes he might owe — $1 million for 2016 and $4.2 million for 2017. But virtually all of that liability was washed away when he eventually filed, and most of the payments were rolled forward to cover potential taxes in future years.”
So he made an estimated tax payment, as many people with businesses, etc do, then his eventual filing reduced his liability to $750 by using tax credits from other activities. So the $750 still appears to be accurate. In fact, the article says it is.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:21 am
by GORDON
It says it in the article, but I always assume everything is lying, all the time.

So he got the millions he pre-paid back? Or... they rolled forward?

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:56 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: It says it in the article, but I always assume everything is lying, all the time.

So he got the millions he pre-paid back? Or... they rolled forward?
He rolled them forward to future years' tax liability. But we don't know what those years' liability are, if any. He paid $5.2M, but had $9.6M of credits. So he could have $4.4M of credits to use against future years as well.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:20 am
by GORDON
So,.......

Either those two years were flukes and he'll get that money back, or he pays millions each year and doesn't get it back.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:25 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: So,.......

Either those two years were flukes and he'll get that money back, or he pays millions each year and doesn't get it back.
If he released his tax returns, we'd know

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:26 am
by GORDON
Ok, so the TRUMP DOESN'T PAY TAXES news from the last week is horseshit, because there still isn't enough information. Except he's definitely paid millions to the treasury, that is beyond dispute.

That any of you believe anything reported about him boggles me.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:29 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Ok, so the TRUMP DOESN'T PAY TAXES news from the last week is horseshit, because there still isn't enough information. Except he's definitely paid millions to the treasury, that is beyond dispute.

That any of you believe anything reported about him boggles me.
The facts in the NY Times article appear to be entirely accurate, and no one has shown otherwise.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:32 am
by GORDON
And the conclusion to be drawn, with limited information, after checks were written for millions, is that he doesn't pay taxes?

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:33 am
by GORDON
I hate it when people make me defend stupid shit.

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Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:39 am
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: And the conclusion to be drawn, with limited information, after checks were written for millions, is that he doesn't pay taxes?
His businesses lose a shit ton of money. And he made money from The Celebrity and licensing his name.

An interesting graph here: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... eline.html

Reporter: Publishes tons of details and information

Gordon: (doesn't read it) I saw a tweet that says it's wrong, can't believe you people believe the lies.

Also, look into his Scotland property for suspicious accounting. (Maybe others, but that one's public due to UK laws)