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The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:28 am
by Leisher
MSU study says the Dem/Repub divide has never been greater.

Seems the internet, which should be the greatest communication tool in human history, has simply allowed people to migrate off to their own echo chambers.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:34 am
by TheCatt
I'm almost in favor of one of those systems where everyone in a given state/region votes, and then representatives are parceled out by %ages. Even if our government collapsed every 2 years. The current system is way too biased towards duopoly. But who knows, maybe some 3rd party candidate will make a difference some day (HAH).

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:38 am
by GORDON
If the Tea Party hadn't been assassinated, it was a really good attempt at getting things back on track.

But no, sometimes nazis showed up so clearly the Tea Party was the party of nazis.

Meaning... the current system isn't going to allow any challenges to the current system. I've been saying it for over a decade... the only way things are going to get fixed is with blood.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:07 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote: the only way things are going to get fixed is with blood.
Unfortunately, I agree.

Someone crazy charismatic would have to emerge from the Libertarians, make a run, AND win to hurt the 2 party system. Even then, the Rs and Ds would spend 4 years bashing the person.

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:17 pm
by GORDON
Who's going to emerge who didn't date as a teen? It's all rape and fair game, now.

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:18 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote: Who's going to emerge who didn't date as a teen? It's all rape and fair game, now.
It will all be fair game and fully believable until the Dems can nominate someone. That's when this all will be decried by the MSM as unethical and disgusting political maneuvering.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:27 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: Who's going to emerge who didn't date as a teen? It's all rape and fair game, now.
I'm pretty sure I'm clean enough to run. What the hell, who needs a law degree for Supreme Court?

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:41 pm
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: Who's going to emerge who didn't date as a teen? It's all rape and fair game, now.
I'm pretty sure I'm clean enough to run.
My confirmation hearings would be pure entertainment and get pretty solid ratings, but I don't know if I'd get a single vote. I'd absolutely win the male vote from the court of public opinion.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 1:43 pm
by TheCatt
"I feel your pain"

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:10 pm
by Leisher

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:28 pm
by TheCatt
Disney has teamed up with the Seminole tribe to make competition in the casino sector illegal.
Yet another reason to dislike Disney.

This could fit in the Amazon thread, since we covered their resistance to the head tax in Seattle.

On the one hand, I want fewer taxes. On the other, if people are going to gorge on sugar and get fat and make me pay for it, fuck them.

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 2:52 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: Who's going to emerge who didn't date as a teen? It's all rape and fair game, now.
I'm pretty sure I'm clean enough to run. What the hell, who needs a law degree for Supreme Court?
Does it matter that you're clean? I can make a 30 year old allegation and Bam FBI investigation. The accusation is all half the country needs to hang you.

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:00 pm
by TheCatt
GORDON wrote: I can make a 30 year old allegation and Bam FBI investigation. The accusation is all half the country needs to hang you.
It would need to be reasonable. I don't think Kavanaugh did himself any favors by lying about his drinking.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:12 pm
by Leisher
GORDON wrote: The accusation is all half the country needs to hang you.
Truth!

The First Trump term.

Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 3:53 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: I can make a 30 year old allegation and Bam FBI investigation. The accusation is all half the country needs to hang you.
It would need to be reasonable. I don't think Kavanaugh did himself any favors by lying about his drinking.
What lie did he tell?

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 4:00 pm
by TheCatt
Vince wrote:
TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: I can make a 30 year old allegation and Bam FBI investigation. The accusation is all half the country needs to hang you.
It would need to be reasonable. I don't think Kavanaugh did himself any favors by lying about his drinking.
What lie did he tell?
https://www.gq.com/story/all-of-brett-kavanaughs-lies

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 5:02 pm
by Vince
I'm not seeing any evidence of a lie in that article other than a bunch of people that are saying he's lying.

Edit: I guess I'm looking for accusations of lying that aren't dependent on something subjective that's argued against by people that oppose him. I mean, I think Obama broke his oath to uphold the Constitution when he was sworn in, but not sure of what that means or is worth.

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 7:30 pm
by TheCatt
Vince wrote: I'm not seeing any evidence of a lie in that article other than a bunch of people that are saying he's lying.

Edit: I guess I'm looking for accusations of lying that aren't dependent on something subjective that's argued against by people that oppose him. I mean, I think Obama broke his oath to uphold the Constitution when he was sworn in, but not sure of what that means or is worth.
Fair enough.

Here's a local (to me) guy who wasn't go to say anything until Kavanaugh lied (his words): https://www.cbs17.com/news/brett-kavana ... 1490919177

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:07 pm
by Vince
TheCatt wrote:Here's a local (to me) guy who wasn't go to say anything until Kavanaugh lied (his words): https://www.cbs17.com/news/brett-kavana ... 1490919177
Yeah, I saw this guy say he couldn't say if Kananaugh ever blacked out, but he drank a lot. Which really didn't conflict with Kavanaugh's testimony. He said he drank beer and sometimes he drank too much beer and he never blacked out.

Did see this tonight...

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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:19 am
by TheCatt
Trump got lots of wealth from his dad, not (just) a $1million loan.
But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.

Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings.

These maneuvers met with little resistance from the Internal Revenue Service, The Times found. The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.
Trump had 2 brothers and 2 sisters?