Climate Change (fka man-made global warming)

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http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011/04/07/climate-models-go-cold/
The debate about global warming has reached ridiculous proportions and is full of micro-thin half-truths and misunderstandings. I am a scientist who was on the carbon gravy train, understands the evidence, was once an alarmist, but am now a skeptic. Watching this issue unfold has been amusing but, lately, worrying. This issue is tearing society apart, making fools out of our politicians.

Let’s set a few things straight.

The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s. But the gravy train was too big, with too many jobs, industries, trading profits, political careers, and the possibility of world government and total control riding on the outcome. So rather than admit they were wrong, the governments, and their tame climate scientists, now outrageously maintain the fiction that carbon dioxide is a dangerous pollutant.
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Article on the missouri tornado.

I'm posting this just to quote the following. This is to help you make a case when you hear people claiming global warming is making our weather worse:
Gov. Jay Nixon's spokesman, Sam Murphey, said Tuesday morning that the death toll in Joplin had risen to 117.

Until this week, the single deadliest tornado on record with the National Weather Service in the past six decades was a twister that killed 116 people in Flint, Mich., in 1953.

More deaths have resulted from outbreaks of multiple tornadoes. On April 27, a pack of twisters roared across six Southern states, killing 314 people, more than two-thirds of them in Alabama. That was the single deadliest day for tornadoes since the National Weather Service began keeping such records in 1950.

The agency has done research that shows deadlier outbreaks before 1950. It says the single deadliest day that it is aware of was March 18, 1925, when tornadoes killed 747 people.
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It's kind of hard to use $value of damage or fatalities to measure historical severity of storms such as tornadoes and hurricanes. For one thing, the $value---even in constant dollars---is bound to be more just because there's more STUFF to be destroyed. On the other hand, fatalities tend to fewer, because we've got better warnings.

It's probably also not helpful to measure the # of storms of a certain magnitude because of improved data. How many category 1 hurricanes made landfall on North America before 1950? WTF knows? Ditto F1 tornadoes.
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thibodeaux wrote:For one thing, the $value---even in constant dollars---is bound to be more just because there's more STUFF to be destroyed. On the other hand, fatalities tend to fewer, because we've got better warnings.
On the gripping hand, fatalities should be higher because there are more people in denser populations to kill. Which counts for more influence, more people or more warning? They might balance out.
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Better tech/warning > population density. Japanese casualties from their not uncommon seismic activity have gone down drastically since they were dragged kicking and screaming into the modern age. Do pockets of civilization that wouldn't otherwise be there occasionally get caught in the way of natural disasters? Sure. But for population centers used to being hammered by such things, fewer people died. The Tohoku quake (9.0 on the Richter, the thing that fucked the nuclear plant) has about 15K-16K for a casualty rating. Things go up to ~30K if you include death, injuries, and folks who are MIA. Back in 1923, the Kanto quake (7.9 on the Richter) took out about 140K.



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CERN experiment strongly suggests that the sun actually is responsible for the majority of temperature fluctuations on Earth, not man.

"Environmentalists" tried to block the experiment in the first place, and failing that they tried to block the publication of the results.

http://opinion.financialpost.com/2011....settled
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That theory has been around for over a decade. Glad to see it finally getting some more evidence and a little press.



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Just a big, ol' fucking WOW! (Awesome article. I highly recommend it.)

More pictures.

I was alerted to this story by either a SMODCAST or Bill Burr's podcast, and they had a story that I couldn't find with quotes from at least one scientist about the house's location. He or she said that according to Gore's own global warming warnings, that house will be underwater in 5 years...
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Said it before, I will say it again: Gore has become a Bond supervillain.
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Majority of people in US link "extreme weather" with global warming.

Linked this for two reasons:
1. The majority of people in the U.S. elected Bush and/or Obama depending on how you want to look at it...
2. This gem:
A large majority of climate scientists say the climate is shifting in ways that could cause serious impacts, and they cite the human release of greenhouse gases as a principal cause. But a tiny, vocal minority of researchers contests that view, and has seemed in the last few years to be winning the battle of public opinion despite slim scientific evidence for their position.


Nope, no bias there!!!

"A large majority of climate scientists" vs. "a tiny, vocal minority of researchers".

Odd that it doesn't mention that one of the two people who invented the global warming concept now thinks it's bullshit.
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Was channel surfing this morning while the kid was playing with some legos.

Found some nature program on so I stopped there.

Some british chick was narrating, and she way talking about some pine forest in europe. The showed a swath of fallen pines... the chick says, "because of global warming, storms are stronger and they knock a lot of trees down." Then, in literally 30 seconds later, they show a lumberjack chopping trees down and she says, "the invasion of an asian beetle is invading the trees and making them structurally weaker."

Ugh.

I am starting to think that anywhere, any time, you scratch the surface of someone assuring you that global climate change is real and can be changed, that you will find a money trail.




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Last year hottest on record. Well, except for 1998.
Then there’s the lack of significant warming since 1998, still the hottest year on record globally. What’s more, that trend will continue if you believe scientists at the British Met Office, an agency sometimes described as Britain’s NOAA.

The Met created a minor flap recently when, over the Christmas holiday, it posted a new set of predictions coughed up by its computer models. Unlike the previous year’s forecasts, these saw no significant warming for the next five years.
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Because predictions have not been coming true, the media is starting to cool on global warming.
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Global cooling has arrived.

IF this article is accurate, and we are about to enter a new mini ice age, how utterly fantastic would it be knowing how many people have been screaming that we need to reduce global temperatures for the past decade or so?
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They've already been prepping for this for a few years, trying to shift from the words "Global Warming" to "Climate Change".

EDIT to add: And I for one welcome the coming Ice Age. It might - might - make summers in Houston bearable.




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TPRJones wrote:EDIT to add: And I for one welcome the coming Ice Age. It might - might - make summers in Houston bearable.
I was thinking the same about here.... and we could use more snow in winter.
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Post by Malcolm »

Luck.
For the past 15 years there has been a lull in rising global temperatures which has many climate scientists scrambling to find an explanation and global warming skeptics arguing that the dire predictions made by activists are full of hot air.

Luck has held it off. According to science, I guess.
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