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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:15 am
by GORDON
Just for the record, I remember getting a lot of shit on this forum a decade ago when I was saying Lucas was insane.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:35 am
by Leisher
I don't think he's insane. I think that's unfair.
I simply think he had kids come into his life that drove him WAY left or made him into a pansy, however you want to see it. I think they made him look at the world through a completely different, and very unrealistic, prism.
It's why Han shot after Greedo in the tweeked version. It's why the prequels had no soul or charm. It's why he filled the original trilogy with bright lights and shiny objects. He lost his edge.
I'm sure he'd argue that his kids are the best thing that ever happened to him, and he's probably right (ignoring that Star Wars probably lead to him getting those kids), but they also killed him as an artist. At least as an artist who could handle something like the Star Wars universe.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:58 am
by Malcolm
I don't think he's insane. I think that's unfair.
He expects the world of cinema to kowtow to him for a limited list of admittedly sizable film achievements. He's insane.
I simply think he had kids come into his life that drove him WAY left or made him into a pansy,
If having kids knocks that many IQ points and that much creativity off the average human brain, then this species wouldn't have survived.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:10 pm
by Leisher
I don't think he lost IQ points, although that is a proven thing.
I think it's more that he became a pussy. He saw things through his kids' eyes instead of his own. His world revolved around them.
He became that pathetic woman in the shitty marriage who bases her whole life on the well being, happiness, and success of her children to help justify her life.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 12:17 pm
by GORDON
Leisher wrote:I don't think he's insane. I think that's unfair.
I simply think he had kids come into his life that drove him WAY left or made him into a pansy, however you want to see it. I think they made him look at the world through a completely different, and very unrealistic, prism.
It's why Han shot after Greedo in the tweeked version. It's why the prequels had no soul or charm. It's why he filled the original trilogy with bright lights and shiny objects. He lost his edge.
I'm sure he'd argue that his kids are the best thing that ever happened to him, and he's probably right (ignoring that Star Wars probably lead to him getting those kids), but they also killed him as an artist. At least as an artist who could handle something like the Star Wars universe.
I don't think it was kids, I think it was the fact he insulated himself from reality to the extent that he became his own god. If anyone ever disagreed with him, or claimed to have a better idea than god's, Lucas would fire that person and erase him from his personal universe. I think he went insane.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:03 pm
by TheCatt
Leisher wrote:I don't think he lost IQ points, although that is a proven thing.
Uh, wut?
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:22 pm
by GORDON
The Onion had an article about that a long time ago.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 7:13 pm
by TPRJones
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:24 pm
by TheCatt
TPRJones wrote:It's a
myth.
That's my memory as well.
But man, reading the article (and being childless at the time), it seemed so true.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 8:28 pm
by GORDON
TheCatt wrote:TPRJones wrote:It's a
myth.
That's my memory as well.
But man, reading the article (and being childless at the time), it seemed so true.
I would say living with an infant has you walking around more like you have PTSD than... just being stupider.
Sleep deprivation is a serious drug.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:18 pm
by Malcolm
TPRJones wrote:It's a
myth.
A true myth, fuck that study, it's wrong.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:20 pm
by GORDON
I love how childless people think they have perfect knowledge of what it is like to be a parent, but will not accept that parents have perfect knowledge of what it was like to be childless.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 9:46 pm
by Malcolm
I've never been a tiger or a penguin, but I've been to the zoo many times and I've watched a lot of Nat Geo. I think I got enough knowledge of what it's like to be them.
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:23 pm
by GORDON
Chortle.
Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2015 11:05 pm
by TPRJones
Well, if becoming a parent does cause some sort of mental problems then the last people to be able to comment on the experience would be parents. They're point of view has become suspect.
Like when the Futurama brain parasite victims talk about how nice it is to have a brain parasite.
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 7:54 am
by GORDON
But the entire idea is just some wish fulfillment on the part of the childless to convince themselves they are superior in some way. 99% of being a parent means there is some sleep deprivation early on, followed by being somewhat desensitized to chaos... a crying baby no longer drives you up the wall like you're Roderick Usher trying to have a bad steak at Longhorn Steakhouse at 5:30PM on a Sunday next to the megachurch. If anything, the childless haven't been through that, man... they just don't know... There isn't even a good hypothesis out there about why one would lose brain function at child birth. It's all just snark.
This thread is waaaay off track.
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:11 am
by Leisher
TPRJones wrote:It's a
myth.
Unless that study talks about how new parents are stupider because of their lack of sleep and loss of focus, then it's not the one I was referencing.
A similar study was the classical music boosting your IQ ever so slightly and only for 5-15 minutes. I remember reading about that when I was a new parent because of how many kid's toys promote classical music and would make claims that it made them smarter.
But the entire idea is just some wish fulfillment on the part of the childless to convince themselves they are superior in some way.
This.
Having a kid is an experience that you cannot understand until you have a kid.
Can you grasp the concept? Of course and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.
But understanding how it fucks with you mentally is something that has to be experienced.
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:03 pm
by TPRJones
I hear what you are saying, but I don't want to join your brain parasite cult no matter how happy you are now. No thanks. :p
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 12:13 pm
by GORDON
I don't think anyone appreciated my Roderick Usher reference.
It used to be that a crying baby in a restaurant would jangle my nerves... now, when it eventually registers that I hear a crying baby, I think, "Ha, someone elses problem!" and tune it out. It's pretty sweet having that kind of resistance to annoyance.
Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 2:08 pm
by Malcolm
But understanding how it fucks with you mentally is something that has to be experienced.
Wrapping one's head around mental fuck-upedness isn't that hard.
I don't think anyone appreciated my Roderick Usher reference.
Fortunately, that was on TV a couple months ago.