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Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:05 am**

TPRJones wrote:Race, gender, age, sexual orientation, etc are an accident of birth. Being a whiny "liberal*" Democrat or an ignorant "conservative**" Republican is a choice.

I hear this whole "choice" thing sometimes, mostly from people trying to justify why communists weren't as evil as nazis.

But here's the thing: I know a lot of racists. And not one of them dislikes black people because they're black. They dislike them because of stereotypical black behavior---i.e., for choices they make. Does every single black person fit the stereotype? Of course not. But this IS the same as hating Republicans.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:27 am**

GORDON wrote:My point being, if it is biased and ignorant to hate muslims, then it needs to be biased and ignorant to hate republicans.

I disagree with your premise.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:28 am**

I dont understand what you mean.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:33 am**

GORDON wrote:I dont understand what you mean.

You said "if A then B." I think he may be arguing A is invalid to begin with?

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:35 am**

thibodeaux wrote:But here's the thing: I know a lot of racists. And not one of them dislikes black people because they're black. They dislike them because of stereotypical black behavior---i.e., for choices they make. Does every single black person fit the stereotype? Of course not. But this IS the same as hating Republicans.

It's okay to hate someone for their choices and how they behave. It's lumping them all together based on the color of their skin - something they have no control over - and presuming that they will make those choices and behave badly that makes a modern racist.

This is not the same as hating Republicans. No one is forced to be Republican. Perhaps the specific Republican in question does not deserve to be hated because they haven't personally made bad choices one may dislike Republicans for, but they have decided to align themselves with bad people who do and it's perfectly fair to judge them for that choice.

That's like people crying that Islam is a religion of peace and it's unfair to judge the religion based on those who blow people up. But that's bullshit. This is not some small minority on the global scale, it's a huge minority or possibly even a small majority. At this point they are aligning with them at least in name and shouldn't be surprised if they are judged as such. It is no longer possible reclaim the good name of the religion, if they really want to remove themselves from the terrorists it's time to suck it up and have a schism and take a new name.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:40 am**

Yeah, but what if you were raised by your actual parents, a male and a female, and you were indoctrinated from birth to believe that you deserve no more than you earn, to steal from others is wrong, and it is important to follow the rules? This is no different from saying black people cant help being thugs because that is the environment from which they came. In my opinion.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:44 am**

Wait, what? So it's racist to assume that someone with a solidly positive background might make good choices? Where is the race part in that?

Besides, it's not completely accurate. Some people raised in a good environment grow up to be downright evil. And some people growing up in a bad environment are good people. Environment plays a part, yes, but ultimately we all choose how much we let environment effect us in the end.

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Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:47 am**

I am saying it is a valid comparison to compare bias against muslims to that against republicans, or jews.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:47 am**

Oh, well sure! That's exactly what I said!

And those are all completely valid forms of bias, IMO, since they are based on choices people make and how they choose to describe themselves.

EDIT: Well, as long as we are talking about "jew" in terms of chosen religion. If we are talking about "jew" in terms of genetic inheritance, then that's a different story. That's one of those terms that - due to the insular nature of the group and it's mostly closed genetic pool - that has been a bit muddied and can sometimes be about race and sometimes not.

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Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:00 pm**

But y'all know hypocrisy is a pet peeve of mine... it bugs me that a liberal will tell you that hating muslims makes you a bigot, but hating republicans makes you enlightened.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:11 pm**

If you are going to get worked every time you encounter a hypocritical "liberal" or "conservative", I think you might need to get away from all of them if you expect to ever be happy.

Hell, the very basis of modern "liberal" and "conservative" thought is founded on the same basic hypocrisy.

Posted: **Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:18 pm**

I carry the burden of maintaining civilization on my shoulders and i am never happy.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:48 am**

Leisher wrote:
P.S. The man is a U.S. President so I obviously do not want to see any sort of attempt on his life. On top of that, no attempts would be another gigantic "shut up" to those folks who think black people in our society are oppressed. For years every comedian in the country has joked about the first black president being assassinated. That gunshot never coming would be one seriously loud statement.
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I'm a week early, but - WE DID IT, AMERICA!

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:48 am**

TheCatt wrote:Please reign in spending.
Please reign in spending.
Please reign in spending.

Well, that worked.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2017 11:37 am**

TheCatt wrote:
Leisher wrote:
P.S. The man is a U.S. President so I obviously do not want to see any sort of attempt on his life. On top of that, no attempts would be another gigantic "shut up" to those folks who think black people in our society are oppressed. For years every comedian in the country has joked about the first black president being assassinated. That gunshot never coming would be one seriously loud statement.
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I'm a week early, but - WE DID IT, AMERICA!

I wonder if anyone in the MSM will point out this milestone?

Posted: **Sat Jan 28, 2017 10:31 am**

Looks like Obama's approval rating polled at about 25% of all Presidents since 1945.

http://www.investors.com/politics/comme ... president/

Posted: **Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:27 pm**

Obama's chef dies while paddleboarding.

Here come all the conspiracy theories...

Posted: **Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:53 am**

Obama's Third Term.

Posted: **Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:35 am**

TheCatt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:53 am Obama's Third Term.

It's not going great.

I do think the one image that will always stick with me about Biden's presidency was when he did a press conference with Obama this year. After the speech Obama was swarmed with people wanting to talk to him, while Joe was, literally, standing alone.

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