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The First Trump term.
Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:52 pm
by TheCatt
His defense
A senior GOP source familiar with the matter told CNN that instead of hearing the President say "shithole," some Republicans heard Trump say "shithouse."
The First Trump term.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:15 am
by Leisher
TheCatt wrote:
His defense
A senior GOP source familiar with the matter told CNN that instead of hearing the President say "shithole," some Republicans heard Trump say "shithouse."
Even the defense would be considered offensive.
Let me defend him here with common sense:
Are we to seriously believe adult language is never used in these closed door meetings? End of the day, this was leaked to the MSM to make Trump look bad. (Something he doesn't need help with.) Obama essentially said the same thing about the south publicly and privately, but the MSM made excuses for him. Granted he didn't say "shitholes", but he did insult their core beliefs, values, and rights. Which is worse? Is one really better than another?
Trump is a blowhard with zero filter whose in way over his head. However, in no way, shape, or form is he truly getting fair treatment compared to previous presidents. Honestly, I don't even know if he deserves it due to his personality, but the office does.
The First Trump term.
Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:17 am
by GORDON
The next question is.... is the White House "broken" simply because so many people wish it to be so?
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:42 am
by Vince
Leisher wrote:Trump is a blowhard with zero filter whose in way over his head. However, in no way, shape, or form is he truly getting fair treatment compared to previous presidents. Honestly, I don't even know if he deserves it due to his personality, but the office does.
I agree he isn't getting a fair shake. Also, it was really stupid for him to say this thinking the Democrats in that room wouldn't make political hay out of it. The press is out to get him. And he seems to be doing everything in his power to help them out on that.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 11:46 am
by GORDON
I would bet a dollar that before he said it, 99% of Americans... who have traveled... would agree that there are parts of the world that are shitholes.
But now "our side" has to have a NEVER TRUMP position, so, we'll pretend like we never thought that.
The First Trump term.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:36 am
by Leisher
Trump withholds funding for Palestinians.
He's taking all sorts of heat for it. Serious question: Why?
expressions of deep concern from UN officials and refugee groups worried about the humanitarian impact
Why is that the U.S.' responsibility? Everyone wants us to keep our nose out of their business, but they sure as fuck don't want the checks to stop coming. Why exactly should we be handing out free money to the world? To keep peace in that region? HAHAHAHA!
State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the move had nothing to do with "punishing" the Palestinians for their refusal to enter into negotiations with Israel, or their decision to push for a UN vote that resulted in overwhelming international condemnation of the Trump administration's decision to unilaterally recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Point being, Trump did something on behalf of this country and its ally. The world condemned him, but still wants him to cut them a check? Meanwhile, we're cutting checks to Palestinians to help them and in return they refuse to even sit at a negotiation table with Israel? A move that could end their plight.
This isn't even a defense of Trump. It's a defense of common sense, economic responsibility, personal responsibility, and peace. If you keep paying people to act like assholes, they're going to keep acting like assholes.
The First Trump term.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:10 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote: I would bet a dollar that before he said it, 99% of Americans... who have traveled... would agree that there are parts of the world that are shitholes.
I'd take that bet. I don't think he'd be that thoughtful in explaining what comes out of his mouth.
I am of the school of thought that Ben Shapiro espouses with Trump. He's a hammer. Sometimes he hits things that need hitting. Sometimes he hits puppies.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:40 pm
by GORDON
I've been calling Europe a shithole for 10 years, and Athens a shithole for 30. Trump did not bunch up my panties.
Athens was a literal shithole. Went into a bar in 1992, went to the bathroom, and the toilet was literally a hole in the floor, with two footprints on either side embedded in the concrete so you could target the hole just right. A literal shithole.
Hell, major cities in Malaysia run their sewage on either side of the road in open tranches, letting gravity run it all down to the ocean. Another literal shithole.
Peeps need some perspective. America is actually pretty nice, relative to 75% of the rest of the planet.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:54 pm
by Vince
You'll get no argument from me that many of the countries he spoke of (and many he didn't) aren't shitholes. They are. My problem with Trump isn't that he was wrong. My problem is that he was stupid enough to say it in front of a political enemy that would make hay of it. So instead of any meaningful discussion of about how jacked up our legal and illegal immigration situation is, we're getting to hear about Trump calling Haiti a shithole for two weeks.
The First Trump term.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:59 pm
by GORDON
Meh. I like the refreshing honesty, not statements that went through committee and were tried in front of focus groups, first.
I don't care if he says stupid shit all the time. It doesn't affect my life. It doesn't change the way mustard tastes.
The First Trump term.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:26 pm
by Leisher
Porn star Stormy Daniels claims to have diddled Trump a year into his marriage to Melania.
Read the whole article. Her story seems questionable, but the days of proving a story to be true before reporting it as fact are over.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:31 pm
by GORDON
With so many unproven allegations flying around, all I can conclude is that all men rape. Trump is a man. QED.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:46 pm
by Vince
Given what we knew about Trump up to this point... even up to the point of his running for President... didn't you kind of assume he had at least one porn star under a NDA?
The First Trump term.
Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote: Meh. I like the refreshing honesty, not statements that went through committee and were tried in front of focus groups, first.
I don't care if he says stupid shit all the time. It doesn't affect my life. It doesn't change the way mustard tastes.
I want one competent enough to do the job he applied for.
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:47 pm
by GORDON
Why? A competent person might actually do things.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:06 am
by Leisher
Vince wrote: Given what we knew about Trump up to this point... even up to the point of his running for President... didn't you kind of assume he had at least one porn star under a NDA?
I have ZERO doubt Trump does or would cheat given the chance. I have the same amount of doubt that he'd use his wealth to shut someone up.
Her specific story just seems to be more bullshit than not.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:31 pm
by Vince
Leisher wrote:I have ZERO doubt Trump does or would cheat given the chance. I have the same amount of doubt that he'd use his wealth to shut someone up.
Her specific story just seems to be more bullshit than not.
I guess since I didn't vote for him, nor feel the need to lead the charge for his impeachment, I just really don't care. Just kind of, "Yeah? I knew he was a reprobate. This sort of story is kind of baked in for me."
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm
by Leisher
I proudly voted for Johnson when offered a turd sandwich and a douchebag as my "only options".
I do believe in giving credit where credit is due and taking it away when it's not. In this case, something is off. I would believe he slept with her, but she's hiding something or has altered the story. Hell, she admits it when she says, "I don't know why I slept with him." Yes you fucking do you lying bitch. He's rich!
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:45 pm
by GORDON
I just assumed she was in love.
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:25 am
by Vince
Leisher wrote:I do believe in giving credit where credit is due and taking it away when it's not. In this case, something is off. I would believe he slept with her, but she's hiding something or has altered the story. Hell, she admits it when she says, "I don't know why I slept with him." Yes you fucking do you lying bitch. He's rich!
You may very well be right. Parts of the story seem a little out there. But they are finding evidence of the payoff, so something seems to be there.
But again, for me it's like debating whether or not a coke head snorted this or that particular line.