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Seems prudent for a public figure. His producers prolly pay before events if only for liability reasons.

GORDON wrote: Seems prudent for a public figure. His producers prolly pay before events if only for liability reasons.

Normal people cannot get them, but political figures, famous people, and athletes can?

Leisher wrote:

Here's one by someone who thought it was a "scamdemic".
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The most shocking part of this article is that there are still gay Trump supporters in Texas.

Troy wrote:

Leisher wrote:

Here's one by someone who thought it was a "scamdemic".
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The most shocking part of this article is that there are still gay Trump supporters in Texas.

Not that shocking. I've come to realize that people are going to vote for their preferred letter, no matter whose name is in front of that letter.

GORDON wrote: But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.

Why?

GORDON wrote: going to infect 100,000 million people

You mean 100 Billion? Um...

GORDON wrote: Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day.

The majority of these are due to situations under your control. Drinking, driving too fast, driving recklessly, etc. (Aside from someone doing those things and running in to you; But not driving last at night, etc would still help). And that's still an order of magnitude fewer than the virus projection.

GORDON wrote: I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

He also predicted 30% of the US getting H1N1.

Also, he made this prediction in June

We can expect COVID-19 to infect 60% – 70% of Americans. That’s around 200 million Americans.
We can expect between 800,000 and 1.6 million Americans to die in the next 18 months if we don’t have a successful vaccine.

And he also doesn't recommend just living your life

Minimizing your contact with large groups, numbers of people, will surely help. We know that you can reduce transmission that way. Beyond that, wearing a mask will reduce your risk and not in a major way, but it’s another possible means of reducing transmission. But in the end, this is why we so desperately need to get a vaccine.

At any rate, I think people should take reasonable precautions to avoid overwhelming hospitals. This isn't the flu, hospitalization rates are much higher, and even with more equipment, there's only so many doctors/nurses/etc.

Also, our nurse/doctor friends say we STILL have shortages of PPE at their hospitals. wtf?

TheCatt wrote: Also, our nurse/doctor friends say we STILL have shortages of PPE at their hospitals. wtf?

That's insane. The state of Ohio just sent my dad 50 cloth masks for his employees...he's the only employee...

Whole racks of masks at walmart and costco

The car analogy doesn't work for me because I'd want to see miles drive per accident, etc. If billions of people are on the road for billions of miles, vs millions for thousands. . . Kind of changes the impact of the numbers, at least for me.

People are tired of being cooped up and are talking themselves into it being ok to do normal things.

GORDON wrote: Whole racks of masks at walmart and costco

I'm specifically referring to medical masks.

nice

Study shows heart damage in ~75% of recovered adults versus non-virus having group. Avg age 49 for that study.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6cTDGqcUpA

Do masks work? Yeah, it's not the exact same thing, but still.

I don't know what Turning Point USA is, but I did browse their twitter feed. Several tributes to the guy who died. Zero mentions of the virus.

Heading back to the Midwest.

MI's governor just announced tighter restrictions on bars and the number of people who can gather indoors.

Many schools locally, and I assume nationally, are going online only or even half days. This mom's dilemma will not be unique.

Our local district will be announcing (I think today) shorter days, in person or online instruction, and zero mixing of classrooms/students. I'm hearing if you choose online you are online until everything is lifted. The students in your classroom will be the only ones you are able to be around for the year. No idea how buses will work. All classes will be live Zoom sessions for the hours that class is in session and it will be the same instruction/assignments whether you're in class or at home. No word on masks.

We're going to let our kids choose what they want to do, but if they choose to go (very likely) we will be quarantining them prior to family get-togethers at Thanksgiving and X-Mas.

TheCatt wrote: I think the goal is some level of normalcy in Summer. Building more capacity in the medical centers, having more people immune from exposure, having more + better medications/treatments will all go a long way to minimizing the disease.

I'd like to speculate June, thinks will be much more normal than today, but probably not completely normal.

!RmindMe 6/15/2020

Hmmm. Well, #1 happened. #2 kinda happening. #3... long way to go, but kinda happening.

I guess things are more normal than they were under lockdown, but definitely still not completely normal. And a way to go.

Herman Cain's dead.

Colbert + Cain back in the day

My kid's school is going hybrid, every other day in class, every other day digital. Masks, desk distancing, new procedures for doing things that don't have kids clustered up. We did have the option for 100% remote. And there's a good chance we'll all be 100% remote by the end of the year anyway, as the Ohio governor has apparently expressed the desire to make that happen.

One wonders if private school attendance will be hurt when parents are paying that $25k/year for daycare, and aren't getting it.