I have seen a lot of responses to that argument as "Nuremberg."
Been seeing on news channels this morning Napalatino (?) on camera urging people to not opt-out of the scanners, and to just comply with the rules.
She doesn't get it. I don't think any of them get it.
I don't think it would take much to instigate a brawl at a checkout line. A combination of the right pissed off traveler, the right people in the queue, and the right angry TSA agent who wont back down. If I had to put money on it, I'd say it would happen in Detroit. TSA agents there are VERY surly.
After that is when the TSA gropers will be armed.
Also, it will become illegal to take video of the security process, for safety reasons. Anyone posting things on youtube will be arrested by the FBI.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:44 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:If I had to put money on it, I'd say it would happen in Detroit.
I call LA or somewhere in Cali.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:47 pm
by GORDON
Question: we have a right to travel, but do we have a right to fly? Been seeing people use that argument all by itself as to why the TSA can do whatever they want.
But I can't think of why using an airline isn't a "right."
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:50 pm
by TheCatt
I dunno, a while back, the Supreme Court found a right to privacy. So I have no idea how this doesn't just shit all over it.
Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:15 pm
by Malcolm
TheCatt wrote:I dunno, a while back, the Supreme Court found a right to privacy. So I have no idea how this doesn't just shit all over it.
You just don't understand the safety implications of your pesky freedoms. Go cower under a rock before the terrorists blow you, your friends, & your relatives up on each and every airplane that flies out of any airport ever.
Arguments I have heard in this thread against the TSA:
- Massively expensive
- Time consuming procedures
- Not actually effective
- Backscatter violates privacy
- Backscatter may be harmful
- Patdowns are overly invasive and humiliating
- Security measures aren't applied across the board anyway
- Lots of news stories about abuse of power
- Lots of news stories about procedure not being followed
- Government advisers becoming rich from promoting the new machines
- Many suggestions for improving implementation
Arguments in this thread for the TSA:
- Go cry more
- TSA agents can't help it if they break the rules and go power-mad
- Don't travel if you don't like it
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:24 pm
by GORDON
So word on the street is that the TSA turned off the scanners yesterday and weren't giving the pat-downs, in order to defang the protest. News media completely missed that in their reporting of "protest didn't affect anything."
Slick move, but still evil. I guess the scanners aren't really all that important, anyway, if they can just stop using them for a day.
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:39 pm
by GORDON
Napolitano: Yeah, peeps really hate these things at airports. Fuck you, we'll require them on trains and boats, too. Keep bitching, assholes.
thibodeaux wrote:That's the "don't touch my junk" guy. So, it sounds like the alternatives are: 1) get scanned, 2) get groped, 3) leave and pay $10k. WTF?
You read that correctly. And a judge somewhere has already upheld that and allowed a civil trial to go forward.
The reasoning is that if you let people just leave once they've been selected for extra screening then terrorists can try multiple times until they get through without being selected to be fully screened.
Sort of like Russian Roulette Security, I guess. The trigger must be pulled until the bullet is fired, no backing out once the game has started.
Posted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:58 am
by Malcolm
Napolitano: Yeah, peeps really hate these things at airports. Fuck you, we'll require them on trains and boats, too. Keep bitching, assholes.
Looks like B. Rock's insanity has shot right past Jimmy Carter and he's now closing in on Richard Nixon. There ain't too many shittier presidents after that.
You read that correctly. And a judge somewhere has already upheld that and allowed a civil trial to go forward.
And that 100% clinches it right there. Fuck flying with the TSA forever.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:23 am
by thibodeaux
File under schadenfreude: I'm getting a big kick out of seeing my liberal friends on Facebook complain about the TSA.
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:31 am
by GORDON
thibodeaux wrote:File under schadenfreude: I'm getting a big kick out of seeing my liberal friends on Facebook complain about the TSA.
But they all lay it flat at Bush's feet, which is only partially honest.
Unless I am mistaken Homeland Security is under the Executive Branch, which means the President is in charge of the new rules.
Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:34 am
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Unless I am mistaken Homeland Security is under the Executive Branch, which means the President is in charge of the new rules.
If our intelligence operations weren't such a gigantic clusterfuck, that absolute joke of a worthless cabinet department would never have been created in the first place.
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:56 pm
by TPRJones
TSA regional security director James Marchand advises parents whose kids are upset by TSA groping to make a game of it, a suggestion that alarmed sex-abuse prevention experts, since "Telling a child that they are engaging in a game is 'one of the most common ways' that sexual predators use to convince children to engage in inappropriate contact."
Anyone feel like writing a spambot that constantly e-mails out "Seriously, what the fuck are you thinking," messages to every Congressional & Homeland Security e-mail address you can find?
Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:44 pm
by TPRJones
Now you can also be assured that no terrorist is going to fly a bus into a skyscraper.
You know, we Americans tell the folks in the UK that they are living in a Big Brother state because of the cameras everywhere. We may not have the same camera problem they do, but we're moving that way ourselves in a more hands-on manner. How much longer before you have to pass through a "safety checkpoint" to use a major highway?