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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:31 pm
by GORDON
Just stop the public funding of the abortion company and make private insurance cover abortions. It isn't like the government hasn't already taken them over. All Obama has to do is sign some form somewhere and POOF, Executive Order.
Oh but wait, that would actually solve the problem and help people instead of giving the dems a massive bat to beat the repubs with. So we can't do that.
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:50 pm
by Malcolm
As opposed to massive shutdown bat the elephants are trying to swing?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 12:50 pm
by GORDON
I don't think losing federal money would shut them down.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:00 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:I don't think losing federal money would shut them down.
The Republicans are threatening to shutdown the entire gov't over it.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:04 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:GORDON wrote:I don't think losing federal money would shut them down.
The Republicans are threatening to shutdown the entire gov't over it.
Which I don't care about. Good. Fuck the government.
We learned last time they only shut down the things that citizens want, anyway, that pays for itself through park entry fees and stuff. All the bureaucrats and military contractors kept getting paid. It isn't like the government loves us or anything.
PP will be fine, I think. There's a massive demand for abortions that they are best equipped to provide, so the abortion of life will find a way even without government funds.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:10 pm
by Malcolm
Cut funding to PP and I bet the number of illegal abortions and unplanned births will jump like a mofo. Then there's this...
The Court instead recognized that the right to an abortion is a fundamental right included within the guarantee of personal privacy. As a fundamental right, regulations limiting abortion had to be justified by a "compelling state interest," and legislative enactments regulating abortion had to be narrowly tailored to meet the compelling interests...
State laws restricting abortions have tripled in the past five years or so due to very loose interpretations of "compelling."
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Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:35 pm
by TPRJones
Just stop the public funding of the abortion company and make private insurance cover abortions.
Employers claiming religious exemptions for providing contraception via employee insurance programs was a thing. I imagine the same would be extra true of abortions.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:43 pm
by GORDON
Malcolm wrote:Cut funding to PP and I bet the number of illegal abortions and unplanned births will jump like a mofo.
Yeah that sucks but it doesn't really make me want to pay for someones abortion.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 1:45 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:Just stop the public funding of the abortion company and make private insurance cover abortions.
Employers claiming religious exemptions for providing contraception via employee insurance programs was a thing. I imagine the same would be extra true of abortions.
So then the company advertising WE HEART ABORTIONS! gets all the Obamacare subscribers. They'll be rich between that and not paying for pregnancies/kids. People who are against abortions dont have to use that particular company.
Shit, that sounds like my way to become a billionaire. Brb.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 2:31 pm
by TPRJones
But what about the employees? Why shouldn't they have any input into their own healthcare choices?
Personally I'm all for getting the government out of all of this shit and letting the market take care of these sorts of things. But since we are stuck with government being in it then we've got to try to keep it from screwing anyone over harder than anyone else, no?
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 3:22 pm
by GORDON
It was my understanding that obamacare was cheaper than any company health plan.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:23 pm
by TPRJones
It was my understanding that Obamacare is not available to anyone with access to a company healthcare plan.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 7:40 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:Just stop the public funding of the abortion company and make private insurance cover abortions. It isn't like the government hasn't already taken them over. All Obama has to do is sign some form somewhere and POOF, Executive Order.
If employers don't get exemptions for any reason, including religion, then maybe.
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 8:53 pm
by GORDON
TPRJones wrote:It was my understanding that Obamacare is not available to anyone with access to a company healthcare plan.
Really? The Affordable Care Act is not available to you if your employer provides health insurance for $600 a month?
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:17 pm
by TPRJones
As far as I know, yes. But I could certainly be incorrect.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:54 pm
by GORDON
I had never heard of that I thought anyone could get it.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:23 pm
by TPRJones
Seems I was wrong. You can still get Obamacare, you just won't get the breaks that make it more affordable:
If you have job-based coverage, you may be able to change to a Marketplace plan. But you might not qualify for premium tax credits or other savings that can make Marketplace insurance more affordable.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:27 pm
by GORDON
How would that be verifiable? Last tax form I filled out just asked if I was covered, it didn't ask who covered me.
I suppose that question might be asked on the obamacare forms.
Seems dumb, though, like an unnecessary level of complexity. The entire point of Obamacare, the way it was sold, was to get people cheaper insurance. Doesn't seem fair that you can't have cheaper insurance (through the subsidies) if your employer offers more expensive insurance. I think the subsidies are the only thing that might make it less expensive for the users.
Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 3:32 pm
by GORDON
Anyway, so the original point was..... someone sells the WE LOVE ABORTING FETUSES health plan, and let everyone else keep not paying for abortions, and they will be rich and PP no longer needs to take government money to pretend to not spend it on abortions while the official story is "It's just a clump of cells, not a baby!" and then not mentioning the differentiated head and organs they badly want to donate to research at a loss.
Government money can pay for the subsidies to buy the WE LOVE ABORTING FETUSES plan through obamacare.
Ugh.
No way around it, I guess. The war on minorities to stop them from breeding will continue. So sad and racist.
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:23 pm
by Malcolm
House pachyderms vote in favour of another shutdown.
House GOP leaders hope the legislation will help avert a government shutdown by appeasing the dozens of conservatives who have pledged to defund Planned Parenthood at all costs. Lawmakers have five legislative days left to pass a spending bill and stop the shutdown that GOP leadership is aggressively working to avoid.
Democrats are seizing on the growing risk of a second GOP-led shutdown in two years. A half dozen House Democrats took to the floor Friday blasting the abortion bills.]House GOP leaders hope the legislation will help avert a government shutdown by appeasing the dozens of conservatives who have pledged to defund Planned Parenthood at all costs. Lawmakers have five legislative days left to pass a spending bill and stop the shutdown that GOP leadership is aggressively working to avoid.
Democrats are seizing on the growing risk of a second GOP-led shutdown in two years. A half dozen House Democrats took to the floor Friday blasting the abortion bills.
You've given your opposition enough ammo to last until the elections next year and polls show your opinion in the minority by a statistically significant amount. Bravo, retards. You're pissing away Congressional seats faster than the UK did with its former colonies post WWII.
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