A handfull of completely unrelated bits of trivia.
And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Or an AIDs epidemic like in Africa.
Sorry, but "rights" don't produce an orderly society. Except maybe the right of freedom of association, which is... stigma.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
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Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
But I'll agree that it usually doesn't come until after the collapse.
"... and then I was forced to walk the Trail of Tears." - Elizabeth Warren
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Care to share the source of these "stats"?Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
But I'll agree that it usually doesn't come until after the collapse.
The thing Card doesn't seem to realize is you can't get back there from here. He's talking about a fundamental shift in societal norms. All the crotchety "remember when" essays in the world won't turn back that clock. The only way to put the stigma back into society is for the vast majority of people to agree with him (which they don't) and to have the individuals targeted by that stigma care what other people think (which they don't).
What exactly is he hoping to accomplish here, besides waling and moaning?
Actually, I'd disagree. The clock's going back for the "stay at home mom" (the ones that bother to marry the daddy, anyway). Fewer and fewer kids are going into daycare among 2 parent homes as compared to 15 to 20 years ago.
But I'll agree that it usually doesn't come until after the collapse.
Care to share the source of these "stats"?
It was a study that came out about 5 years ago. Most of the young parents cited the fact that they hated day-care and didn't want to do that to their kids, or at least wanted to do better for them (realizing that "more money" didn't always mean "better childhood").
Rush Limbaugh talked a lot about the study when it came out.
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This "collapse" is needed in order to wake people up to the problem.
People like me and Card bitching about it... well, I like to think I postpone the collapse by 5 minutes, or so.
Or as long as it takes to read your post.
Rush Limbaugh talked a lot about the study when it came out.
Now there's a credible source. Say what you want about the man, but he has an adgenda and is a hypocrite (codone anyone?). If you look hard enough you can find any numbers you want to further your claim. I'd like to see this study broken down by income. I'll bet you'll see it's among the very affluent.
Wadda mean? Other people can read this?!
Maybe I forgot the *sarcasm* tag.And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Or an AIDs epidemic like in Africa.
Sorry, but "rights" don't produce an orderly society. Except maybe the right of freedom of association, which is... stigma.
It's not me, it's someone else.
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Most of that still sounds better than listening to another essay from Card.And you'll have Rome.Have your stigma... I'll take my crime-ridden sex-filled societies.
Or an AIDs epidemic like in Africa.
Sorry, but "rights" don't produce an orderly society. Except maybe the right of freedom of association, which is... stigma.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."