So they found a Krypton scout ship that had been in arctic ice for like 15k years.
Clark enters his dad's USB drive and he flies it out of there and drops Lois off somewhere and i dont know.
Where did his suit come from?
Didn't we see the ship take off again during the last fights? Was Zod driving it? Wut?
superman '13 *SPOILER THREAD*
20K years, and the technology had not advanced a single day. So save your 3.5" floppies because in 20,000 years, they'll still be usable.
I imagine his suit, which was on the scout ship from 20,000 years ago and meant for him, was created in some 3D printer when he put Jor-El's flash drive in...
I forget about the ship. Wasn't Ursa driving it? Maybe it got caught up in the singularity?
Best and most romantic location for a first kiss? In the middle of an area where a million people just died.
I imagine his suit, which was on the scout ship from 20,000 years ago and meant for him, was created in some 3D printer when he put Jor-El's flash drive in...
I forget about the ship. Wasn't Ursa driving it? Maybe it got caught up in the singularity?
Best and most romantic location for a first kiss? In the middle of an area where a million people just died.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Oh my fucking god. So much shit not right. Wtf?
Two fucking prologues in the same movie. "Hey, let's force the audience to go through the same origin story they already know to watch a planet blow up, and then we'll do it AGAIN when Superman meets his dad's hologram-ghost-AI-whatever we're just making shit up at this point. But we can show off that cool shapechanging lead-like texture special effect." They'll jump over Lois's probably months upon months of tracking Clark down, Zod's crawl back from the Phantom Zone over years, but by goddamn, they'll show that planet blowing up as much as fucking possible in the hopes that Russel Crowe awakens shades of Marlon Brando from back when Brando was less nutty than a pile of elephant shit in a peanut factory. And five overly redundant scenes of Clark getting shit for being different while in school, and holding back entirely because his adopted father says so. I want none of that. Shit should have started with the oil rig explosion, then the spaceship discovery, then into the fucking action.
The scene where Kevin Costner dies is beyond stupid, much like his entire character. "Hey there's a big-ass tornado over here. Surely the whirling debris and chaos won't be enough to distract people while my superhuman son saves his dog. Looks like I have to do it myself." Maybe he had a stroke in a flashback that was cut and it shows his mind wasn't what it used to be. In addition, it's amazing how Superman can't hear the vortex of windy death his dad's driving into. John Kent's entire character is a fucking idiot. But since Supes is supposed to be a boy scout, I guess he needs a pussy role model. Shit, the manliest thing either of his parents did was tell Zod to go to hell.
Zod manages to adapt to Earth's atmosphere and his heightened senses with a grand total of, what, ten minutes' exposure? It took Clark everything up until his adult life to get the same control? That's like spending a holiday in Tibet and adapting to the high altitude. Naturally Zod's lifetime of training, battle experience, and genetic predisposition was overcome by Clark's years of busing tables, crab fishing, and farm labour.
I'm not sure what that terraforming machine "World Engine" thing was, but its utter idiocy ranked close to the walking cyborg-computer symbiosis being in "Superman Meets Richard Pryor." Stay far off, blast it with laser eyes. The end. It did well enough to tear through Zod's ship, I'm sure it'll work on the other piece of salvaged, possibly relict, Kryptonian technology.
My biggest complaint is at the very end before Zod and Supes duke it out. If he's genetically programmed to serve Krypton and its people, why did he just initiate lethal combat with the dude who is possibly the only Kryptonian in the fucking universe except for himself? Fuck, Superman's got the entire race's genetic vault encoded in his cells. He IS Krypton at that point. Zod doesn't have his gear or people to harvest the DNA or the genesis chamber to grow the babies.
While I do like they had Supes kill someone up close, COME THE FUCK ON ... he just tore ass through a densely populated metropolitan area with skyscrapers, cars, packed sidewalks, etc., in the middle of a fucking workday. Someone, somewhere, died in the fighting or as a result of the massive destruction that ensued, probably as direct consequence of something Superman did. He gets his panties in a morality twist because he had to snap the neck of a genocidal, mass-murdering psychopath intent on harvesting his DNA, dead or alive? Maybe if he'd had the balls to do that earlier, Zod and his soldiers wouldn't have been able to go on a killing and devastation spree. He truly is dumb-ass Kevin Costner's son.
While I get that he has to end up working at the Daily Planet, he just caused tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars worth of damage. Even the army sergeant knows him at the end. Loads of people have seen his face, and he decides to go take a job in the town that now looks like a warzone because of him (he activated the ship under the ice which is how Zod tracked him). In addition, his close coworker knows who he is. His disguise? Some glasses and wearing a suit that looks like it isn't made from faux alligator or snake skin, which was apparently all the rage on Krypton right before it exploded.
This is all I can think of at the moment while things are fresh in my head. Film should have been titled "Man of Steel: Superman Takes 140 Minutes to Pull the Tampon Out of His Vagina and Act Like a Man."
Two fucking prologues in the same movie. "Hey, let's force the audience to go through the same origin story they already know to watch a planet blow up, and then we'll do it AGAIN when Superman meets his dad's hologram-ghost-AI-whatever we're just making shit up at this point. But we can show off that cool shapechanging lead-like texture special effect." They'll jump over Lois's probably months upon months of tracking Clark down, Zod's crawl back from the Phantom Zone over years, but by goddamn, they'll show that planet blowing up as much as fucking possible in the hopes that Russel Crowe awakens shades of Marlon Brando from back when Brando was less nutty than a pile of elephant shit in a peanut factory. And five overly redundant scenes of Clark getting shit for being different while in school, and holding back entirely because his adopted father says so. I want none of that. Shit should have started with the oil rig explosion, then the spaceship discovery, then into the fucking action.
The scene where Kevin Costner dies is beyond stupid, much like his entire character. "Hey there's a big-ass tornado over here. Surely the whirling debris and chaos won't be enough to distract people while my superhuman son saves his dog. Looks like I have to do it myself." Maybe he had a stroke in a flashback that was cut and it shows his mind wasn't what it used to be. In addition, it's amazing how Superman can't hear the vortex of windy death his dad's driving into. John Kent's entire character is a fucking idiot. But since Supes is supposed to be a boy scout, I guess he needs a pussy role model. Shit, the manliest thing either of his parents did was tell Zod to go to hell.
Zod manages to adapt to Earth's atmosphere and his heightened senses with a grand total of, what, ten minutes' exposure? It took Clark everything up until his adult life to get the same control? That's like spending a holiday in Tibet and adapting to the high altitude. Naturally Zod's lifetime of training, battle experience, and genetic predisposition was overcome by Clark's years of busing tables, crab fishing, and farm labour.
I'm not sure what that terraforming machine "World Engine" thing was, but its utter idiocy ranked close to the walking cyborg-computer symbiosis being in "Superman Meets Richard Pryor." Stay far off, blast it with laser eyes. The end. It did well enough to tear through Zod's ship, I'm sure it'll work on the other piece of salvaged, possibly relict, Kryptonian technology.
My biggest complaint is at the very end before Zod and Supes duke it out. If he's genetically programmed to serve Krypton and its people, why did he just initiate lethal combat with the dude who is possibly the only Kryptonian in the fucking universe except for himself? Fuck, Superman's got the entire race's genetic vault encoded in his cells. He IS Krypton at that point. Zod doesn't have his gear or people to harvest the DNA or the genesis chamber to grow the babies.
While I do like they had Supes kill someone up close, COME THE FUCK ON ... he just tore ass through a densely populated metropolitan area with skyscrapers, cars, packed sidewalks, etc., in the middle of a fucking workday. Someone, somewhere, died in the fighting or as a result of the massive destruction that ensued, probably as direct consequence of something Superman did. He gets his panties in a morality twist because he had to snap the neck of a genocidal, mass-murdering psychopath intent on harvesting his DNA, dead or alive? Maybe if he'd had the balls to do that earlier, Zod and his soldiers wouldn't have been able to go on a killing and devastation spree. He truly is dumb-ass Kevin Costner's son.
While I get that he has to end up working at the Daily Planet, he just caused tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars worth of damage. Even the army sergeant knows him at the end. Loads of people have seen his face, and he decides to go take a job in the town that now looks like a warzone because of him (he activated the ship under the ice which is how Zod tracked him). In addition, his close coworker knows who he is. His disguise? Some glasses and wearing a suit that looks like it isn't made from faux alligator or snake skin, which was apparently all the rage on Krypton right before it exploded.
This is all I can think of at the moment while things are fresh in my head. Film should have been titled "Man of Steel: Superman Takes 140 Minutes to Pull the Tampon Out of His Vagina and Act Like a Man."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
You should learn how to do a forum search.
First of all, do you understand why they tell the back story when rebooting a film franchise?
Secondly, I agree with your assessment of the second telling of the story. They could have had Jor-El narrate the story to Clark to get that one telling in and freeing up time for other things.
The tornado death was stupid. I never understood why he didn't have Clark go get the dog. Perhaps parental instinct? I know someone died here last year doing the same thing.
The rest of your paragraph is bullshit. Sorry, but superheroes don't need to run amok on the planet doing whatever the fuck they want just because they have the power to do so. Kind of the point of them being "good guys".
Before you go on and on ranting in a drunken haze about how Jonathon Kent was a pussy and yada yada yada just because he wanted to protect his son, I think you should go read Kingdom Come. Why? Because I imagine you raising Magog.
Seriously can't get over how off base this comment is Malcolm. Telling your kid with super powers not to expose himself and just let people die is a pussy move huh? Doing everything to raise your kid, who happens to have the power to destroy the planet, to have a ridiculously strong moral compass makes him a bleeding vagina? You honestly can't see any other reason why Pa Kent would make his purpose to keep this kid under control?
Apparently, if your kid has super powers, we're all going to be enslaved or dead.
I had the same complaint. The yellow sun just immediately super charges them?
Did you also happen to notice that when the villains returned to their environment it didn't weaken them?
And if the environment made you gods, why change it?
I don't know if it worked that way. He's not a robot, so I don't think this was a case of him overriding his programming, but rather he was just brought up that way. Thus, when he saw his plan destroyed and his allies with it, he lost it.
Said Magog's dad...
You honestly don't see the massive flaw in your argument here?
I don't get your point.
Are you mocking his secret identity? If so, that's some cutting edge commentary.
They have a terraformer, but apparently never used it or any others?
The virtual Jor-El was far, far, far, far, far too smart.
"Hey, let's force the audience to go through the same origin story they already know to watch a planet blow up, and then we'll do it AGAIN when Superman meets his dad's hologram-ghost-AI-whatever we're just making shit up at this point. But we can show off that cool shapechanging lead-like texture special effect."
First of all, do you understand why they tell the back story when rebooting a film franchise?
Secondly, I agree with your assessment of the second telling of the story. They could have had Jor-El narrate the story to Clark to get that one telling in and freeing up time for other things.
The scene where Kevin Costner dies is beyond stupid, much like his entire character. "Hey there's a big-ass tornado over here. Surely the whirling debris and chaos won't be enough to distract people while my superhuman son saves his dog. Looks like I have to do it myself." Maybe he had a stroke in a flashback that was cut and it shows his mind wasn't what it used to be. In addition, it's amazing how Superman can't hear the vortex of windy death his dad's driving into. John Kent's entire character is a fucking idiot. But since Supes is supposed to be a boy scout, I guess he needs a pussy role model. Shit, the manliest thing either of his parents did was tell Zod to go to hell.
The tornado death was stupid. I never understood why he didn't have Clark go get the dog. Perhaps parental instinct? I know someone died here last year doing the same thing.
The rest of your paragraph is bullshit. Sorry, but superheroes don't need to run amok on the planet doing whatever the fuck they want just because they have the power to do so. Kind of the point of them being "good guys".
Before you go on and on ranting in a drunken haze about how Jonathon Kent was a pussy and yada yada yada just because he wanted to protect his son, I think you should go read Kingdom Come. Why? Because I imagine you raising Magog.
3) Kevin Costner's character was a walking bleeding vagina and acted like an idiot in nearly every scene.
Seriously can't get over how off base this comment is Malcolm. Telling your kid with super powers not to expose himself and just let people die is a pussy move huh? Doing everything to raise your kid, who happens to have the power to destroy the planet, to have a ridiculously strong moral compass makes him a bleeding vagina? You honestly can't see any other reason why Pa Kent would make his purpose to keep this kid under control?
Apparently, if your kid has super powers, we're all going to be enslaved or dead.
Zod manages to adapt to Earth's atmosphere and his heightened senses with a grand total of, what, ten minutes' exposure? It took Clark everything up until his adult life to get the same control? That's like spending a holiday in Tibet and adapting to the high altitude. Naturally Zod's lifetime of training, battle experience, and genetic predisposition was overcome by Clark's years of busing tables, crab fishing, and farm labour.
I had the same complaint. The yellow sun just immediately super charges them?
Did you also happen to notice that when the villains returned to their environment it didn't weaken them?
And if the environment made you gods, why change it?
My biggest complaint is at the very end before Zod and Supes duke it out. If he's genetically programmed to serve Krypton and its people, why did he just initiate lethal combat with the dude who is possibly the only Kryptonian in the fucking universe except for himself? Fuck, Superman's got the entire race's genetic vault encoded in his cells. He IS Krypton at that point. Zod doesn't have his gear or people to harvest the DNA or the genesis chamber to grow the babies.
I don't know if it worked that way. He's not a robot, so I don't think this was a case of him overriding his programming, but rather he was just brought up that way. Thus, when he saw his plan destroyed and his allies with it, he lost it.
While I do like they had Supes kill someone up close, COME THE FUCK ON ... he just tore ass through a densely populated metropolitan area with skyscrapers, cars, packed sidewalks, etc., in the middle of a fucking workday. Someone, somewhere, died in the fighting or as a result of the massive destruction that ensued, probably as direct consequence of something Superman did. He gets his panties in a morality twist because he had to snap the neck of a genocidal, mass-murdering psychopath intent on harvesting his DNA, dead or alive? Maybe if he'd had the balls to do that earlier, Zod and his soldiers wouldn't have been able to go on a killing and devastation spree. He truly is dumb-ass Kevin Costner's son.
Said Magog's dad...
You honestly don't see the massive flaw in your argument here?
While I get that he has to end up working at the Daily Planet, he just caused tens, if not hundreds, of millions of dollars worth of damage. Even the army sergeant knows him at the end. Loads of people have seen his face, and he decides to go take a job in the town that now looks like a warzone because of him (he activated the ship under the ice which is how Zod tracked him). In addition, his close coworker knows who he is. His disguise? Some glasses and wearing a suit that looks like it isn't made from faux alligator or snake skin, which was apparently all the rage on Krypton right before it exploded.
I don't get your point.
Are you mocking his secret identity? If so, that's some cutting edge commentary.
5) Kryptonian biology/technology in this movie gets as many random powers as Superman gets in the comics
They have a terraformer, but apparently never used it or any others?
The virtual Jor-El was far, far, far, far, far too smart.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
You should learn how to do a forum search.
If "man of steel" was anywhere in the title, I might have better luck.
First of all, do you understand why they tell the back story when rebooting a film franchise?
Not unless they're going to do something significantly different, no.
Because I imagine you raising Magog.
"Make him everything we hate about modern comics. Make him as Rob Liefeld as you can." Too many fucking pockets.
Telling your kid with super powers not to expose himself and just let people die is a pussy move huh?
Maybe if you really, really don't like the person in who's going to die. Otherwise you're really just making your life easier at the literal expense of someone else's.
Doing everything to raise your kid, who happens to have the power to destroy the planet, to have a ridiculously strong moral compass makes him a bleeding vagina?
Best learn how to control such power real early.
I seriously get the feeling the only reason Batman, Superman, and their ilk generally don't kill their enemies is because the comic writers get tired of resurrecting old villains and inventing new ones. They needed an excuse for them to survive for issue upon issue. In the movies, the franchise might only run a few flicks, so I expect a different treatment of conflict with more of an eye toward finality. The best part of the movie was him killing Zod. Now, interplay of plot and media aside...
Moral compass is all well and good. But in this case, Supes could have burned a hole in Zod's skull the first time he got exposed to Earth's atmosphere and then flown back up to Zod's ship and gutted it. Bam. Invasion falls apart, lives and dollars are saved. The holo-ghost of your father just said he's the dude that led a coup against his own people. You know, aggressive military conflict. What the fuck do you think his plan is going to be when he sets up shop on this planet? Peace and sunshine? The moral high ground is a fine place to view corpses from.
The virtual Jor-El was far, far, far, far, far too smart.
"You can get me out of here?"
"Of course, I designed this ship."
"How about the self-destruct mechanism? You design that?"
"Uh .... no."
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
The idiocy of the characters:
Jor-El: Has enough foresight to save one member of his race, just not himself or his wife. Hmm, should have built a bigger fucking ship. Like the day the suits suggested harvesting the core. Oh well, there's that hologram of his consciousness that can control the ship kind of, or something. That'll do it. Should have really disabled that homing beacon on the ship he materialized on. So maybe when his son finds him that coup-happy Zod guy doesn't track him down. On second thought, nah, I'm sure he stopped looking. And the lock on the Phantom Zone prison totally wouldn't break when Krypton explodes (even though Zod yelled about being put in a "black hole for an eternity").
The Kryptonians in general: I can't figure out if they were just made to be a caricature of everything the writers think is wrong with government or if someone just said, "Fuck it, let's make them a race capable of interstellar travel and colonization, but we'll also give them the foresight of a retarded squirrel and the creative reasoning of a sea cucumber born missing a few chromosomes." Their power reserves are "virtually exhausted," but they've got enough left to: start a brief civil war with huge flying machines and energy weapons, power their homes, open a singularity in time-space to condemn some criminals. A small force of renegade Kryptonians, using secondhand gear, manages to escape certain imprisonment, locate a habitable planet, a terraforming machine, and damn near wipe out the dominant species? They were prevented from doing this before the planet exploded ... why? Hell, couldn't they find an uninhabited world so they wouldn't have to spend time exterminating whoever lived there? Seems less expensive to me, in terms of resources. They suddenly lost the ability to send citizens off to colonies? They didn't consider evacuating the homeworld before they were forced to drill the core or expend all their natural resources? I'd also like to note that "ancient" Kryptonian ship had technology that meshed pretty damned nicely with the current technology. Same for Zod's salvaged parts he mentions. Did their science just plateau out?
The military in general: Jet fighters in between skyscrapers? Wtf? I suppose they don't get stupider so much as start out dumb as shit and stay there. I guess every major military in the world lost the ability to bomb things and scramble the navy to launch rockets.
Pa Kent: I believe his idiocy begins with Clark asking him whether or not he should have let the kids on the bus die and Costner's response begins with, "Maybe..." Thank Christ Pa Kent wasn't the last son of Krypton, he probably would've tried to get Zod on the Dr. Phil show for a talk. His idiocy culminates with the aforementioned wasted, meaningless, needless sacrifice during the tornado. Your son can fly several times the speed of sound. No one is going to notice shit if he ducks behind the overpass out of sight, then flies in from the side to grab you and drop you off safely somewhere. It's a fucking whirlwind. All kinds of cover is blowing around, visibility is below crap.
Superman: At first he tries to make an attempt to stay off the grid. False info everywhere, keeps moving around. Then he finds the ship and goes to investigate. Alright. He's told the dude that tried to overthrow Krypton's government is actively looking for him, and he's probably not in a negotiating mood. So, what does Supes do? Hey, I'll go walk into his ship under armed escort and let him take along that human reporter I just met. The one with zero super powers in case shit gets real. Soon as that Zod makes his broadcast, Supes should have taken his mom somewhere far, far the fuck away. He only gets worse from there. I can't believe he doesn't say to the military, "Hey, you got any unmanned drones I can use as decoys while I single-handedly play punch out with the terraforming machine that's changing your planet's gravitational field? Or maybe some covering fire from a few cruise missiles?"
Zod and his gang: Wow. They didn't just take some blood from Clark straight away after he collapsed? I'm not saying they knew about his cells then, I'm saying that they knew he was a naturally born kid instead of vat-grown, so they'd probably run a few tests to see if there were any major physiological differences. Not to mention the fact he's lived in a wildly dissimilar solar system. Easiest way for Zod to win? Just start taking random hostages and holding them at gunpoint. They don't even need to be humans. Small animals will do. Have his cohorts run around the globe, causing massive loss of life to distract Supes while he sets about securing the one other hyperdrive in the vicinity that can be used to send everything back to the Phantom Zone. Couldn't they vent the Earth's atmosphere into a the docking bay on their ship and see what happened without the helmets? If I were Zod, that would've been my first order of biz after getting rescued from near certain death. "Hey, the environment out there is kind of rough at first, but you get to be a nigh-invulnerable demigod that can shoot freaking laser beams from your eyes and fly in short order. Someone open a fucking window NOW!" Fuck, how about a few scouting runs to for some intelligence? They could have swiped that spaceship with little resistance if they just played it cool.
Jor-El: Has enough foresight to save one member of his race, just not himself or his wife. Hmm, should have built a bigger fucking ship. Like the day the suits suggested harvesting the core. Oh well, there's that hologram of his consciousness that can control the ship kind of, or something. That'll do it. Should have really disabled that homing beacon on the ship he materialized on. So maybe when his son finds him that coup-happy Zod guy doesn't track him down. On second thought, nah, I'm sure he stopped looking. And the lock on the Phantom Zone prison totally wouldn't break when Krypton explodes (even though Zod yelled about being put in a "black hole for an eternity").
The Kryptonians in general: I can't figure out if they were just made to be a caricature of everything the writers think is wrong with government or if someone just said, "Fuck it, let's make them a race capable of interstellar travel and colonization, but we'll also give them the foresight of a retarded squirrel and the creative reasoning of a sea cucumber born missing a few chromosomes." Their power reserves are "virtually exhausted," but they've got enough left to: start a brief civil war with huge flying machines and energy weapons, power their homes, open a singularity in time-space to condemn some criminals. A small force of renegade Kryptonians, using secondhand gear, manages to escape certain imprisonment, locate a habitable planet, a terraforming machine, and damn near wipe out the dominant species? They were prevented from doing this before the planet exploded ... why? Hell, couldn't they find an uninhabited world so they wouldn't have to spend time exterminating whoever lived there? Seems less expensive to me, in terms of resources. They suddenly lost the ability to send citizens off to colonies? They didn't consider evacuating the homeworld before they were forced to drill the core or expend all their natural resources? I'd also like to note that "ancient" Kryptonian ship had technology that meshed pretty damned nicely with the current technology. Same for Zod's salvaged parts he mentions. Did their science just plateau out?
The military in general: Jet fighters in between skyscrapers? Wtf? I suppose they don't get stupider so much as start out dumb as shit and stay there. I guess every major military in the world lost the ability to bomb things and scramble the navy to launch rockets.
Pa Kent: I believe his idiocy begins with Clark asking him whether or not he should have let the kids on the bus die and Costner's response begins with, "Maybe..." Thank Christ Pa Kent wasn't the last son of Krypton, he probably would've tried to get Zod on the Dr. Phil show for a talk. His idiocy culminates with the aforementioned wasted, meaningless, needless sacrifice during the tornado. Your son can fly several times the speed of sound. No one is going to notice shit if he ducks behind the overpass out of sight, then flies in from the side to grab you and drop you off safely somewhere. It's a fucking whirlwind. All kinds of cover is blowing around, visibility is below crap.
Superman: At first he tries to make an attempt to stay off the grid. False info everywhere, keeps moving around. Then he finds the ship and goes to investigate. Alright. He's told the dude that tried to overthrow Krypton's government is actively looking for him, and he's probably not in a negotiating mood. So, what does Supes do? Hey, I'll go walk into his ship under armed escort and let him take along that human reporter I just met. The one with zero super powers in case shit gets real. Soon as that Zod makes his broadcast, Supes should have taken his mom somewhere far, far the fuck away. He only gets worse from there. I can't believe he doesn't say to the military, "Hey, you got any unmanned drones I can use as decoys while I single-handedly play punch out with the terraforming machine that's changing your planet's gravitational field? Or maybe some covering fire from a few cruise missiles?"
Zod and his gang: Wow. They didn't just take some blood from Clark straight away after he collapsed? I'm not saying they knew about his cells then, I'm saying that they knew he was a naturally born kid instead of vat-grown, so they'd probably run a few tests to see if there were any major physiological differences. Not to mention the fact he's lived in a wildly dissimilar solar system. Easiest way for Zod to win? Just start taking random hostages and holding them at gunpoint. They don't even need to be humans. Small animals will do. Have his cohorts run around the globe, causing massive loss of life to distract Supes while he sets about securing the one other hyperdrive in the vicinity that can be used to send everything back to the Phantom Zone. Couldn't they vent the Earth's atmosphere into a the docking bay on their ship and see what happened without the helmets? If I were Zod, that would've been my first order of biz after getting rescued from near certain death. "Hey, the environment out there is kind of rough at first, but you get to be a nigh-invulnerable demigod that can shoot freaking laser beams from your eyes and fly in short order. Someone open a fucking window NOW!" Fuck, how about a few scouting runs to for some intelligence? They could have swiped that spaceship with little resistance if they just played it cool.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Krypton leadership and society: they made it clear they were an empire in decline. America was walking on the moon and eyeballing Mars 40 years ago, and now with four times the federal budget we cant even get into low earth orbit. I see parallels.
Pa Kent: he knew he was raising a god. He knew the god could be good, or evil. The Kansas farmer did his best without the benefit of even having previous kids to serve as parenting experience. I cut him slack.
New thoughts: the original Superman 1 & 2 were made together. This movie was basically those movies, without Lex Luthor and without requiring stupidity in the people around Clark and a hidden identity. Clark even had trouble with a trucker and got payback.
Pa Kent: he knew he was raising a god. He knew the god could be good, or evil. The Kansas farmer did his best without the benefit of even having previous kids to serve as parenting experience. I cut him slack.
New thoughts: the original Superman 1 & 2 were made together. This movie was basically those movies, without Lex Luthor and without requiring stupidity in the people around Clark and a hidden identity. Clark even had trouble with a trucker and got payback.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Krypton leadership and society: they made it clear they were an empire in decline. America was walking on the moon and eyeballing Mars 40 years ago, and now with four times the federal budget we cant even get into low earth orbit. I see parallels.
Until we institute a caste system and artificial population control, I think you're reaching. I find it odd that some segment of the Kryptonian population not programmed to give a fuck, didn't just up and swipe a World Engine, then off to the nearest terraformable planetoid and say fuck all the morons. If Zod can break his genetic walking orders, then others can.
Clark even had trouble with a trucker and got payback.
I'm wondering how he managed to crucify a semi on telephone poles with anyone in the diner noticing. Because that shit certainly isn't tipping people off. Obviously Costner's non-violence approach didn't go over 100%. But somehow, he's still got problems killing Zod, a dude that has sworn to obliterate him and every other species on the planet, was going to use his mother for leverage, and caused an a-bomb's worth of damage to a major city. And he's about ready to microwave some people cowering in a corner, you know, just to be a dick. But go on, take a few more seconds to have an internal ethical debate while his eyeballs sway a little bit more to the right.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Second viewing answered my questions.GORDON wrote:So they found a Krypton scout ship that had been in arctic ice for like 15k years.
Clark enters his dad's USB drive and he flies it out of there and drops Lois off somewhere and i dont know.
Where did his suit come from?
Didn't we see the ship take off again during the last fights? Was Zod driving it? Wut?
Zod got the signal from Clark's scout ship sometime during the final fight while the planet engine was running. He put the girl in charge of their mother ship and took off to get it. While he was flying it back to Metropolis, he has his talk with holo-Jor El. He gets back to Metropolis and is about to shoot down the airplane with the... baby carriage bomb, or whatever, then Clark shows up and trashes the scout ship Zod is flying. Airplane dives into the mother ship, bomb on board.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Also, there is a moment when Clark is fighting the planet engine... the tentacles beat him down, and he is down on the ground under that white gravity beam. Clark is fighting it... is standing... you can see waves of pressure against his face... and I think there is a moment there when they CGId Christopher Reeve's face onto this new actor. Just a split second. Looked just like him.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
And oh yeah.... during the Smallville fight, when there were still A-10s in the air, and the Kryptonians start jumping at them.... in the backfield you see one pilot try to eject, is stopped by the bad guy, then he is popped like a big balloon full of blood and meat.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
PA Report. With spoilers. They latch on to the notion that Supes probably killed thousands of people with collateral damage, then they call Jor-El out for being a dumb-ass. The more I go over this movie in my head, the more it sucks.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Their entire argument is undone by this point:Malcolm wrote:PA Report. With spoilers. They latch on to the notion that Supes probably killed thousands of people with collateral damage, then they call Jor-El out for being a dumb-ass. The more I go over this movie in my head, the more it sucks.
Everyone in this film acted selfishly. By hiding the codex with his son and then hiding his son on Earth, Jor-El basically put a giant target on our planet. Thanks, bro.
Jor-El didn't know he was hiding his son, he just thought he was sending him away from a doomed planet, with the possibility of restoring the people of Krypton (or whatever strange reason he had for taking the Codex). He didn't know Zod would be hunting him down. Sending the baby away was in the planning stages for months since the government would not believe the planet was being destroyed, and it seemed like an hour between Zod staging a coup and Jor-El getting killed and the baby getting sent away and Zod swearing a blood oath to find the baby. Jor-El planned for nothing of the sort the PA guys claimed. That possibility didn't exist at the time it was planned.
As for the "Superman didn't care for peeps in the city" argument, I disagree again, there, too. Superman didn't choose to fight. He surrendered willingly.... and he was never hiding from someone looking for him, he was just there not knowing wtf happened to his people, just trying to be an infant/little kid/troubled child/teenager who doesn't understand why he can't be himself. Zod started it, Superman was forced to participate, and at the very least there's the hint that the peeps in the buildings got away before they fell. We had lots of interior shots of buildings, and we never see ANY people. I think peeps know to get out of buildings pretty quick when there's an aircraft in the vicinity fucking shit up. Additionally, I don't know for a fact Superman himself threw Zod through buildings... I thought he was on the receiving end. Another rewatch will answer that question for me. All I know for sure is that Clark sent Zod through a cornfield once (YOU THINK YOU CAN THREATEN MY MOTHER??!!??), and threw another guy into what looked like a deserted train yard. My memory is vague on the rest.
AND.... you can't "go to Mars to keep from fucking people up" when it was the bad guys who parked their boat in the city, and that's where you have to fight them.
Their entire article is dumb.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
He didn't know Zod would be hunting him down.
"I will find your child, Jor-El." Yep, no way of knowing he'd follow through on that threat. I also guess he forgot about the homing beacon in the old ship buried under the ice, and that perhaps he ought to have given his kid a command key that doesn't trip it.
Zod started it, Superman was forced to participate, and at the very least there's the hint that the peeps in the buildings got away before they fell. We had lots of interior shots of buildings, and we never see ANY people.
So, all the debris, dust, and falling parts of skyscrapers were made of nerf? Zod wanted Supes, and without Supes the planet is virtually useless to Zod. All he had to do was put out a press release with the following:
"Hey Zod, want a piece of me and my DNA? Come to the middle of Siberia and let's duke it out, bitch."
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Being told something important 2 seconds before you are killed doesn't really make you a dick because you didn't plan for it. The PA article implied that it did.Malcolm wrote:"I will find your child, Jor-El." Yep, no way of knowing he'd follow through on that threat. I also guess he forgot about the homing beacon in the old ship buried under the ice, and that perhaps he ought to have given his kid a command key that doesn't trip it.He didn't know Zod would be hunting him down.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Zod started the planet engine not giving a shit where superman was. Superman had to go to where zod was to stop him. Going to siberia wouldn't save the earth whether zod followed or not.Malcolm wrote:So, all the debris, dust, and falling parts of skyscrapers were made of nerf? Zod wanted Supes, and without Supes the planet is virtually useless to Zod. All he had to do was put out a press release with the following:Zod started it, Superman was forced to participate, and at the very least there's the hint that the peeps in the buildings got away before they fell. We had lots of interior shots of buildings, and we never see ANY people.
"Hey Zod, want a piece of me and my DNA? Come to the middle of Siberia and let's duke it out, bitch."
Unless you mean after the planet engine was destroyed. I guess then, hey armchair general, good job making better decision that the god who has never been in a fight while he is getting his ass kicked by the god who was born to be a military leader, and has studied war all his life.
Christ, the conclusions I see people jumping to about this movie, here and elsewhere..... "We don't see the world as it is, we see it as we are." Applies to this movie for some reason.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Being told something important 2 seconds before you are killed doesn't really make you a dick because you didn't plan for it.
It makes you a dumb-ass. The ship was over 10K years old. How the fuck would he not have known it was equipped with such a device? The kept records of where they fired the genesis pods to (unless we're to believe that ship under the ice was knocked of course or something). Jor-El obviously scanned for a habitable planet beforehand, the least he could have done was cross-reference it with the list of planets they tried to colonize 10 millennia ago.
Zod started the planet engine not giving a shit where superman was. Superman had to go to where zod was to stop him. Going to siberia wouldn't save the earth whether zod followed or not.
I don't know why Clark let Lois on the fucking ship. If she hadn't been there, he doesn't need to save her during reentry, and then he can spend his time trashing Zod's ship in orbit, before it launches the terraformer. At best, the Kryptonians are forced to descend to Earth with no air support, and the heroes eventually figure out if they blast the breathers, they win. He can send the Siberia message anytime after he rescues Lois from the escape pod and before the machine drops.
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
HEMalcolm wrote:It makes you a dumb-ass. The ship was over 10K years old. How the fuck would he not have known it was equipped with such a device? The kept records of where they fired the genesis pods to (unless we're to believe that ship under the ice was knocked of course or something). Jor-El obviously scanned for a habitable planet beforehand, the least he could have done was cross-reference it with the list of planets they tried to colonize 10 millennia ago.Being told something important 2 seconds before you are killed doesn't really make you a dick because you didn't plan for it.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."