The end of privacy

Post by **TheCatt** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:02 pm

Please quit. Everyone.

Or TAKE A STAND and say HELL NO I WONT DO THIS

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:17 pm

TheCatt wrote:Airports using the body scanners.

I still think the MSP airport only has those scanner for int'l passengers. I noticed nothing last time I was there. I will certainly check into that & fucking Lambert before my next flight, though.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:21 pm

thibodeaux wrote:Some good news.

"Molester, pervert, disgusting, an embarrassment, creep. These are all words I have heard today at work describing me, said in my presence as I patted passengers down. These comments are painful and demoralizing, one day is bad enough, but I have to come back tomorrow, the next day and the day after that to keep hearing these comments. If something doesn’t change in the next two weeks I don’t know how much longer I can withstand this taunting. I go home and I cry. I am serving my country, I should not have to go home and cry after a day of honorably serving my country."

One correction: you are NOT serving your country, much less honorably. Maybe you should quit?

Reader Lance point us to (an admittedly hearsay) story of a pilot traveling with his 18-year old daughter. As they approached the naked image scanner, the pilot overheard a TSA agent say into his radio: "heads up, got a cutie for you."

"...won't someone please think of the children?"

I bet making comments to your designated groper becomes criminalized.

It's already a felony not to follow their exact orders. How much more fucking authority do you need?

Post by **TheCatt** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:17 pm

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:34 pm

TSA Chief: also complained of "horror stories" about the enhanced pat-down that he said are "frankly inaccurate, either misinformation or whatever."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/21/tsa.pat.downs/index.html?hpt=C1

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:12 pm

At the same time, Pistole acknowledged that travelers received little warning of the enhanced screening procedures, and therefore those who faced the more thorough pat-down were likely caught by surprise.

"That's my responsibility, because I did not advertise this, if you will, and say we are going to do this new type of pat-down, because I did not want to provide a blueprint or a road map to the terrorists to say, 'here's our new security procedure, so here's all you have to do to,' " Pistole said.

Security by obscurity, boys and girls. The sign of a fucking hack with no better plan. There are countries that would execute public servants for this level of stupidity.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:47 am

His name is "Pistol?" I'm surprised they haven't banned him from flying.

Cuz, you know, it's a gun.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:48 am

Malcolm wrote:
At the same time, Pistole acknowledged that travelers received little warning of the enhanced screening procedures, and therefore those who faced the more thorough pat-down were likely caught by surprise.

"That's my responsibility, because I did not advertise this, if you will, and say we are going to do this new type of pat-down, because I did not want to provide a blueprint or a road map to the terrorists to say, 'here's our new security procedure, so here's all you have to do to,' " Pistole said.
Security by obscurity, boys and girls. The sign of a fucking hack with no better plan. There are countries that would execute public servants for this level of stupidity.

Actually, it's yet another way of saying, "If you rubes just understood us, you'd see that we're doing what's best for you."

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:56 am

Ok, now wait a minute. I'm confused by this:

When Tyner refused to the body scan and opted instead for the pat-down, he was told that the TSA agent would have to do a "groin check". Tyner was not going to have that happen. So before he knew it a quick sucession of events took place. Various supervisors got involved, Tyner was pulled aside, the police came by, and a supervisor told Tyner that he wouldn't be allowed to travel unless he submitted to the check. Tyner opted to leave instead - getting a full refund for the unused ticket - but not before he was told that if he left the secured area he would be "subject to a civil suit and a $10,000 fine." Tyner left nonetheless.

That's the "don't touch my junk" guy. So, it sounds like the alternatives are: 1) get scanned, 2) get groped, 3) leave and pay $10k. WTF?

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:19 am

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:36 am

At this point, just drugging everyone may be easier.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:48 pm

A civil suit? For fucking what?

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:57 pm

At this point, just drugging everyone may be easier.

Ever see The Fifth Element? Each person has their own tube they lay in and then they're gassed to unconsciousness and get woken up when they arrive.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:02 pm

Leisher wrote:
At this point, just drugging everyone may be easier.
Ever see The Fifth Element? Each person has their own tube they lay in and then they're gassed to unconsciousness and get woken up when they arrive.

A fine idea until you're tasked with the idea of coming up with the universal sedation playbook, taking into account all possible allergies, previously ingested antidotes (to counter the sedation), dosage, duration of effect, etc. The details are just bitchy.

Post by **thibodeaux** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:15 pm

Don't you people know what a Nazi is?

One can’t describe me as a Nazi because I am following a security procedure of designed to find prohibited items on a passenger’s body. A Nazi is someone with hatred and ignorance in their hearts, a person who carried out actions of execution and extermination of those based on their religion, origins or sexual preferences. I work to make travel safer, even if I do not agree with the current security procedures. Further more, I am Jewish and a TSA Transportation Security Officer, an American Patriot and to call me a Nazi is an offense beyond all other offenses.

A "Nazi," literally, is a member of the National Socialist German Workers' Party. I doubt if "hatred and ignorance in the heart" was a requirement. Nor, technically, is a devotion to just following orders...I mean "procedures". And if you're working to make travel safer, but you don't agree with your procedures...what's more important? That travel is safer, or that you follow the procedure? Hm. Maybe if all you patriots in the TSA would just, I don't know, REFUSE to do this stuff, maybe the "procedure" would get changed?

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:13 pm

Uh, wait a minute...

I work to make travel safer, even if I do not agree with the current security procedures.

If you don't agree with the current procedures and you work to make travel safer, does that mean?

A) You disagree with the current procedures because they don't make travel safer?
or
B) The current procedures do make travel safer & you're just lazy/incompetent.

If the current procedures don't work, then what exactly do you do that makes travel safer? Procedures ... not prescribed by the current management?

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:36 pm

Leisher wrote:
At this point, just drugging everyone may be easier.
Ever see The Fifth Element? Each person has their own tube they lay in and then they're gassed to unconsciousness and get woken up when they arrive.

There was a Stephen King short story for inter-planterary (or similar) travel where they were put to sleep for travel as well. Although, that was because if you didn't, you'd go insane.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:37 pm

The Jaunt.

"It's forever in there."

Edited By GORDON on 1290465443

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:53 pm

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/40318901/ns/travel-news/

Well maybe TSA agents need to be armed to protect themselves.

“This absence of information has resulted in a backlash against the character and professionalism of TSOs,” said Gage in a statement. “TSA must act now — before the Thanksgiving rush — to ensure that TSOs are not being left to fend for themselves.”

Seems to always come down to the public being too stupid to know when the government is right.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:12 am

“Our concern is that the public not confuse the people implementing the policies with the people who developed the policies,” said Sharon Pinnock, the union's director of membership and organization.

Whenever we bring up the issue of enforcement of insane laws by cops, the argument gets made that we oughtn't get mad at the cops for doing their jobs & we ought to get pissed at the legislators for making stupid laws.

Anyone want to defend the TSA with similar logic?