I'm fine w\ it if they're trained properly. It doesn't take a damn genius to dispense most prescriptions or diagnose/treat lots of illnesses. But you can't be a complete twit, either.TheCatt wrote:I'm OK with this. Doctors need more competition.Malcolm wrote:Not enough primary care doctors? Just promote some nurses.
The First Obama Term
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I think this quote from the article answers your question:GORDON wrote:Will the nurses also be regulated by the AMA? If so, there's still no competition for doctors.
The American Medical Association, which supported the national health care overhaul, says a doctor shortage is no reason to put nurses in charge and endanger patients
It's not me, it's someone else.
Well, for now, nurses cover a wide range of services. And this is a way for the ANA to grab more of the healthcare lottery that Obama got passed.Malcolm wrote:Why wouldn't everyone just compensate by jacking up the requirements/costs/fees/insurance for what you need to be considered a "nurse?"
It's not me, it's someone else.
For years, nurse practitioners have been playing a bigger role in the nation's health care,
My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor. As far as I was concerned he was as good as a doctor and had to have everything approved threw a doctor.
Pharmacy's do it everyday. In Ohio there only has to be one pharmacist for every thirteen people working in the pharmacy. I think the ratio should be smaller but they haven't killed me yet.
My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor. As far as I was concerned he was as good as a doctor and had to have everything approved threw a doctor.
Pharmacy's do it everyday. In Ohio there only has to be one pharmacist for every thirteen people working in the pharmacy. I think the ratio should be smaller but they haven't killed me yet.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor.
That's because the VA is easily the worst government run health care system in the world. You NEVER see a doctor upon your first visit. You're lucky if you ever see one. They simply don't pay for them.
If the government can't take care of this country's veterans, how good do you think health care for normal people is going to be?
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I think my dads NP was a great guy who did his job well. As for government run health care. To me the VA and gov run health care are worlds apart. The VA they just screw the vets. In the world of medicine there is a lot of money to be made.Leisher wrote:That's because the VA is easily the worst government run health care system in the world. You NEVER see a doctor upon your first visit. You're lucky if you ever see one. They simply don't pay for them.My dad had one at the VA for years before I found out he wasn't a doctor.
If the government can't take care of this country's veterans, how good do you think health care for normal people is going to be?
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
I think my dads NP was a great guy who did his job well.
That's great, however my comments had nothing to do with whether or not that nurse was any good.
And one person being a good nurse doesn't mean the system isn't fucked. For your one good nurse I'll give you thousands of fucked over vets.
As for government run health care. To me the VA and gov run health care are worlds apart.
Please explain that. Is it because the government runs one, and the government runs...the...other...? It's the same thing.
The VA they just screw the vets.
I know you don't mean that as if it's a positive...
In the world of medicine there is a lot of money to be made.
In what way do you think "there is a lot of money to be made" equates to good health care, particularly in a socialized system?
Maybe you haven't noticed, but all these countries with socialized health care are bankrupt or going bankrupt. On top of that, do you know where their rich people and difficult cases go to get proper medical care? HERE!!!
Will someone make a lot of money off socialized health care? Yes. Will it be done in the name of giving us good health care? No, it'll be the exact opposite. Remember, cutting costs means more money...
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
Maybe we should stop spending so much cash buying everyone in the country a health care pony, then.unkbill wrote:As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
If our forefathers thought that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
That might be true. But look what our own government does to the people that fought so we could argue. Every person that ever served should have a free medical ride for life. And make that the best medical available. I think you are aware of what they get.Leisher wrote:If our forefathers thought that way, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.I consider the VA as one step better than nothing. The only way to treat vets worse would be to shut it down. It does have some good points but lack many more.
As for other countries going bankrupt. We aren't exactly on top of things. Might as well join them.
In marriage there is always one person right. And the other one is the husband.
He mocks tax protesters.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic....TION=US
Does this guy ever even pretend to have class?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic....TION=US
Does this guy ever even pretend to have class?
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Wow, look what happens when your polling numbers are plummeting.
http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ailures
You pander in a different direction.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politic....ailures
You pander in a different direction.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."