Health Care

[Malcolm]

"End of the year."

And during his blow-by-blow recap of his administration's plans to help the economy, Obama spoke confidently about health care. Congress will attempt to pass and reconcile competing plans to overhaul the health care system this fall. A big political fight remains.

"I promise you," Obama said, "we will pass reform by the end of this year."

[GORDON]

I don't have the words to express how angry it makes me when I hear the pro-government health care mongers refer to those people who are against it as "paid political astroturfers." Since no sane, private citizens could be against it, right?

[GORDON]

I don't have the words to express how angry it makes me when I hear the pro-government health care mongers refer to those people who are against it as "paid political astroturfers." Since no sane, private citizens could be against it, right?

This isn't even the "chilling silencing of dissent." This is outright dismissal, on a wide scale, of anyone with an opposing view.

The media got him elected, will they get government health care rammed down our throats?

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/290611.php

[GORDON]

Union thugs will be on hand at these town-hall meetings to make sure the evil conservatives know their place, or are intimidated, or something.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009....20.html

[TPRJones]

This is outright dismissal, on a wide scale, of anyone with an opposing view.

This is an old standard for the Democratic party and very much in vogue. Republicans did it a lot in the 60's, but not so much these days outside of church.

Freedom of speech is only for the good right-thinking citizens, you see.

[Malcolm]

This has been a standard since the days of electing leaders in prehistory.

[thibodeaux]

Another random thought: don't people understand that government money is like the GPL? You accept even the tiniest bit, and suddenly THEY OWN YOU. Just think about the recent bailouts: You took our money, so now we can fire your CEO! Even if you didn't WANT the money!

Public funding of health care is ALREADY the excuse behind a host of freedom-limiting laws, such as mandatory helmet and seatbelt laws, anti-smoking regulations, New York's crusade against fat, etc.

[Leisher]

A new option.

Seems to me this announcement is more about saving face for Obama and the DNC.

[thibodeaux]

Is freedom an option? No, I suppose not.

[Malcolm]

In the Bloomberg TV interview, DeParle said a public plan would "level" the playing field...

Yeah, in the same way that hacking the legs off everyone in the Boston marathon makes it an even playing field for the one paraplegic that signed up.

Nonetheless, DeParle said the president may be interested in cooperatives -- if they are designed to achieve his objectives.

Well, thank Jeebus daddy Obama's here to make our decisions for us. King George was interested in the colonies, so long as as they kept their mouths shut & just kept on paying.

"The president is open to a bill that increases choice and competition," he said.

Every single fucking thing he's done since he's been in office has been about taking away choice & avoiding the consequences of competition. Every. Single. Fucking. Thing.

[thibodeaux]

[url=http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Weekly-Address-President-Obama-Calls-Health-Insurance-Reform-Key-to-Stronger-Economy-and-I mprovement-on-Status-Quo/]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_pre....tus-Quo[/url]

We will require insurance companies to cover routine checkups and preventive care, like mammograms, colonoscopies, or eye and foot exams for diabetics, so we can avoid chronic illnesses that cost too many lives and too much money.

We will stop insurance companies from denying coverage because of a person’s medical history...under these reforms, insurance companies will no longer be able to deny coverage because of a previous illness or injury.

Those things, by definition, are not insurable.

[thibodeaux]

It's gettin' ugly:
http://hotair.com/archive....th-care

[Malcolm]

Gettin'?

[GORDON]

Not sure if it is that same one, but read about a town hall meeting where a constituent was being critical on the health care plan, the senator told the group that the special interests are "obviously" being represented at the meeting, and the guy was like, "No one sent me, you son of a bitch" and there were a few cheers.

[TPRJones]

Obviously they only cheered because the insurance companies paid them to.

[Malcolm]

Edit : Oh yeah ... from here.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, insisting at the start of a long and politically heated summer congressional recess that healthcare reform can be achieved this fall, today are calling the disruption of town-hall meetings by vocal protesters "simply un-American."

"We believe it is healthy for such a historic effort to be subject to so much scrutiny and debate," Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Hoyer (D-Md.) wrote in a USA Today opinion piece published today.

"However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue," the two leaders wrote. "These disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views -- but of the facts themselves. Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American."

I hope the founding fathers rise from the grave specifically to kick your ass. Shit, not cooperating w\ the HUAC used to be un-American.



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[Leisher]

"Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American."

So we're supposed to forgot how they acted during the Bush years?

I guess what's good for the goose ISN'T good for the gander.

[thibodeaux]

Out of curiosity I went and read the proposal, and one of the first things I read was that if you were happy with your health care, nothing would change.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1914973,00.html

So the system is an unsustainable disaster, but you can keep your piece of it if you want. And the Democrats wonder why selling health-care reform to the public has been so hard?

I can't believe Time published that.

[TPRJones]

Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American.

How many of those hypocrits were at one of these events below and considered their loud and often violent protests to be patriotic?

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(etc, see most of the late-60s and early-70s)

And of course anyone attempting to discuss the so-called science behind Global Warming is shouted down and labeled as a kook.



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[thibodeaux]

My rep. is on a cable TV show right now. The show says "call in, August 10," but when you call the number it says there is no live show taking calls.