We've seen a TV series and a movie and Hulk has to yet to actually hit anyone. I, for one, am looking forward to Hulk actually being able to fight something other than a cloud.
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Saying that I don't want to be bored and want to see something new is unfair?
He has NEVER fought another living breathing creature. He will here. How is that not new?
So I ask again, what "new" are you looking for? What can Hulk face that won't bore you?
And by your logic here, you shouldn't like any new space themed TV shows since you've seen it all once you saw Star Wars. Oh boy, more ships shooting at each other in space...*yawn*
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
Well that's not true... Serenity had a space battle that was awesome in a way I can't even describe. I guess it was neat to see a space battle in which you hope neither side wins. That was new, at least to me. I mean, Star Wars Ep. 1 had a decent space battle..... but for some reason it made me feel nothing. I was just watching the Jedi try to wipe the little droids off of their fighters by slamming them together like they completely forgot they knew how to use the force and could make things fly away/implode without touching them.
If Hulk is just going to be more:
1. Dude gets super powers.
2. Dude is conflicted about having super powers, "Why me?"
3. Dude adjusts to having super powers.
4. Someone else is envious of dude's super powers, gets his own super powers to use for EVIL.
5. Major face-off between good guy and bad guy, you think the bad guy will win but then the good guy rallies and comes back to win.
Well........ I guess it is an inevitable product of getting old, but I've already seen that movie a few times, and played the video game a few times. As of now I don't expect to be impressed. It's sort of like Superman, for me.... the dude is indestructable. He has whatever powers he needs, whenever he needs them, even if there is no precident for having those powers. Even when killed you know he will return. How can that be gripping? How can making me bored be telling a good story?
I can respect what Ang Lee tried to do with the Hulk, even if ultimately he failed. If I recall, we didn't even see a monster until... what... an hour into the film? It was about people, and Lee tried to make them complex before he threw the gamma rays into the ointment. Fantastic Four were just cliche, cardboard cutout characters with zero depth. Yawn.
Again, in Serenity, when they started killing people off, you shit your pants because if they were willing to kill THAT character off, who else are they willing to kill off? "This shit just got real!"
I already have low expectations for Hulk, but I will see it with optimism that I will be surprised and entertained.
For Ironman, I have high expectations due to Robert Downery Jr. being a great, charismatic actor... I just hope they don't pull a Batman (w/ Michael Keaton)/Spiderman (w/the Green Goblin) move and bury the actor and let the costumes do all the acting, and I hope the break the formula a bit with the story.... and I hope I am not let down.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Actually, I think you're being biased against the genre.
I know plenty of people who would claim that every sci fi movie is exactly the same in the same way that you're saying every super hero is the same. Ditto for every horror, comedy, drama, lifetime movie, romantic comedy, etc.
My wife currently can't stand horror because she thinks every horror movie is the same thing over and over. People have a gathering for insert reason, it is crashed by the killer insert killer's name who is eventually stopped by insert unlikely survivor.
Hell, to use your own argument against you, "House" has been discussed multiple times here as every episode being exactly the same, yet despite this admission, you loved it.
Saying the death of Superman is boring is ridiculously biased. Of course they have to bring him back since he's a profitable property, but they don't kill him often. His death total so far is one. Not bad for a comic character with over 50 years of history.
To contrast, the deaths on Serenity didn't do anything for me. Why? Because I knew the show was done. FOX fucked the show, Joss was moving on, etc. Do I believe for a single second that those folks would've died in Season 2 rather than the "finale movie"? Hell no. Thus, they didn't mean as much to me.
The AMAZING finale and deaths in "Space: Above and Beyond" were far better for me as I didn't know the ultimate fate of the show. There had been talk that it could've been saved.
And truth be told, that was years prior to Serenity and it could easily be argued that the deaths in Serenity had been seen before in that show, so *yawn*.
Again, in the space example you cite, you say one space battle bored you, yet another didn't. That's bias towards the genre. There was nothing "new" about ships fighting in space. Ok, maybe the ship designs and a new weapon or two, but you are geeked about that.
So why can't you see that actually seeing the Hulk fight a living creature, something he has NEVER done, is NEW? The difference is that its a genre that you're losing your interest in, while you're more forgiving of redundancy in a genre you love.
So again, I have to ask what do you want to see out of the Hulk? If you aren't going to allow the protagonist to get his powers and face a challenging adversary, then what would you like to see?
By the way, I should qualify that Marvel Studios now has control over the Hulk, they're giving the series a facelift after the horrible Ang Lee effort. So if they want to revisit the story and pretend like Ang Lee's piece of shit doesn't exist, I'm ok with that. It's kind of like pretending Ep.1,2,3 don't exist.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
1. You claim the deaths in Serenity didn't move you, but the reasons you gave were outside-of-the-movie stuff... the studio killing the series, the director moving on. As far as I knew when I saw Serenity in the theater, this was the first movie of a series, and I was able to suspend disbelief and get into the movie due to the director making me care about the characters. I didn't go into it thinking about movie studios and director's new projects, I just watched the movie and was entertained.
2. You say all space battles are the same, and I have to love them all or hate them all? I highly disagree. Different directors have different talents. I like some horror flicks (Silent Hill), and am bored to tears by others (I can't think of a specific example right now, but I agree with your wife to a degree, it is the same-ol same-ol I am complaining about). It is the vision brought to the screen by directors of different talents and visions. SOme directors are better than others, and different directors cater to different tastes. My tastes are maturing I guess, and I am no longer satisfied with a McDonald's happy meal no matter HOW awesome the toy inside tries to distract me from the food. Silent Hill.... amazing, AMAZING horror visuals, and I'm STILL not sure what the ending meant. Cool.
3. House.... I said early on when I watched it that every show seemed the same, but Hugh Laurie made such a great and different character (not counting the obvious Sherlock Holmes connection) that I was willing to forgive the formula scripts and love the show anyway. I was watching HOUSE, not E.R. The Next Generation. I hope Ed Norton can bring a great and different character to the role of David Banner that will entertain the shit out of me. I already like Ed Norton. All he has to do is have a decent dirctor.
4. Fine, they don't kill Superman off all that often, but the one time they did, he came back. Why should I ever feel concern or anxiety when Superman is in a big fight, ever again? I already know how it will end. Hey, remember how in the last movie the kryptonite continent made Supes so weak when he stood on it that a single punch from from Lex Luthor sent Supes flying backwards 8 feet, but then later, with actual Kryptonite inside his body, Supes lifts and launches the kryptonite continent into space? Wow, that made sense. I guess kyptonite doesn't actually do that much to stop him when he is really, REALLY determined.
5. There isn't any reward without risk. If they aren't willing to make a movie in which they scuttle all possibilities of a cashing-in sequel, then there's a good chance I'll not be fooled.
I like and dislike different entries in different genres. I believe it is entirely possible to have a good space flick, and a boring space flick.... which is why not everyone should be directing movies. I'm looking at you George Lucas.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
GORDON wrote:For Malcolm, that may be a compliment. Hard to say.
I look at it from the flip side. You'd need to put in some massive amounts of energy to crack even the list of the top 1,000,000 insults leveled at me.
& yeah, when I think "heathen," I generally think, "he's probably on to something."
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Diogenes of Sinope: "It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I saw a reviewer saying today that the success of this movie is a result of Americans' weariness of the Iraq war. That had me worried. But Thib liked it, so cool.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Bumper sticker I saw just off Camp Lejeune, just before I left there:
A silhouette of a Marine with the words, "All we are saying is give war a chance." Nice play on the 'give peace a chance' stuff. When you give peace a chance the end result is the Khmer Rouge and the Laotian boat people.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I saw it and didn't mind it either. I saw some stupid stuff happening, as in "Why the hell did they do that?". I'd also say to myself "That would have killed him.". So, an above average amount of suspension of belief. . . but other than that, it was pretty entertaining.
Best comic book movie ever? (I read people were saying that) I don't think I could agree with that though.
I saw it and it was very entertaining. Yes a lot of suspension of belief (so you can fly halfway around the world in a couple of hours and that little fuel?). Great balance of action and humor without being campy. Not the best comic book ever, but definitely sets the bar high for this summer's films.
DoctorChaos wrote:I saw it and it was very entertaining. Yes a lot of suspension of belief (so you can fly halfway around the world in a couple of hours and that little fuel?).
Wasn't using fuel, was using their "repulsor technology" which they mentioned but never went much in to.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
