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TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:44 pm This is dumb. Trump is a terrible person doing terrible things, it's OK to treat him like a piece of shit, because he is one.
Kind of slam dunking my point. Thanks.
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I don't know dog Larry David really speaks the language of the youth. He's going to sway a lot of people with that.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:00 pm
TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:44 pm This is dumb. Trump is a terrible person doing terrible things, it's OK to treat him like a piece of shit, because he is one.
Kind of slam dunking my point. Thanks.
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TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:22 pm
Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 1:00 pm
TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 12:44 pm This is dumb. Trump is a terrible person doing terrible things, it's OK to treat him like a piece of shit, because he is one.
Kind of slam dunking my point. Thanks.
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Nah, I don't think that comparison works. To be fair, I can't think of one that does. I asked Google and AI says Ned Stark. Apparently, I'll die being right. Meh, was bound to happen anyway. :D

Plus, it's not a counter. There's not an argument to what I said because it's the truth. It's been played out in history time and time again.

It's one thing to paint HIM as a piece of shit, it's another to paint him and everyone that just happens to be on the same side of the political belief spectrum with the same brush. That's where the danger lies.

I get it, he's fucking with your money (mine too), but that doesn't make him "literally Hitler".

The minute you invalidate the opinions of every person that disagrees with you and paint them as inferior, guess what you become...
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Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:07 pm I get it, he's fucking with your money (mine too), but that doesn't make him "literally Hitler".
I called him a piece of shit, not Hitler.
Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:07 pm It's one thing to paint HIM as a piece of shit, it's another to paint him and everyone that just happens to be on the same side of the political belief spectrum with the same brush.
If you support a piece of shit, you are a piece of shit. It's the transitive property or something :)
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The trouble is, and has always been, who gets to be the one who decides who is human, and who is less than.

Larry David's childish hitler comparison doesn't help anything.
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GORDON wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:16 pm The trouble is, and has always been, who gets to be the one who decides who is human, and who is less than.

Larry David's childish hitler comparison doesn't help anything.
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I'd probably trust your Deciding, where the rubber is hitting the road.

I would not trust 99.99999% of everyone else's deciding. And I meant those five decimal positions. There are probably fewer than 100k people on this planet with good intelligence, high wisdom, and strong impulse control, total.
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TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:13 pm I called him a piece of shit, not Hitler.
You know we're talking about David's piece, and you know he gets called "literally Hitler" so much that he probably answers to it.
TheCatt wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 5:13 pm If you support a piece of shit, you are a piece of shit.
Sure, but not always true. I believe you have to purposefully ignore malicious intent.

For example: A lot of people in professional sports are terrible human beings, but we tend to overlook some things as long as they play well for our teams. Even the ones that aren't "terrible" are usually assholes because that's what you need to be to succeed at that level.
GORDON wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 6:48 pm I'd probably trust your Deciding
No way. Fuck Catt. He'd have me thrown on a cattle car immediately knowing that meant more women for him. Selfish prick.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:58 pm No way. Fuck Catt. He'd have me thrown on a cattle car immediately knowing that meant more women for him. Selfish prick.
He'd keep me on as a pet, or possibly the court idiot when he needs a clever non sequitur.

And sometimes people support the piece of shit because the alternative is a turd sandwich that love control and has followers that will gouge swastikas into your property when they're trying to show support for freedom and liberty. Because they're fully retarded. And you figure at least the piece of shit is just mostly retarded, not fully retarded.
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GORDON wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:33 pm Because they're fully retarded. And you figure at least the piece of shit is just mostly retarded, not fully retarded.
American politics 2025. Our forefathers would be so proud.
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Leisher wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 8:58 pm No way. Fuck Catt. He'd have me thrown on a cattle car immediately knowing that meant more women for him. Selfish prick.
There'd be so many women left in this country, you wouldn't even know what to do! (Instant citizenship for hotties; death for men i dont like)
GORDON wrote: Tue Apr 22, 2025 9:33 pm or possibly the court idiot when he needs a clever non sequitur.
The pet thing is weird to me, but this...
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TheCatt wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:01 am There'd be so many women left in this country, you wouldn't even know what to do! (Instant citizenship for hotties; death for men i dont like)
This is why we'll never be in charge, we have the correct priorities.
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Leisher wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:30 am
TheCatt wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 9:01 am There'd be so many women left in this country, you wouldn't even know what to do! (Instant citizenship for hotties; death for men i dont like)
This is why we'll never be in charge, we have the correct priorities.
You just have to make it profitable for the entrenched entities, somehow.
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I'll show them that girl math credit card video.
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Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent trying to walk it all back after alienating our allies:

"I wish to be clear: America first does not mean America alone. To the contrary, it is a call for deeper collaboration and mutual respect among trade partners."
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I thought that was self-explanatory? Not kidding.

They've been pretty up front about tariffs only being in place if a nation doesn't want to come to the table and negotiate. It's why Mexico didn't get hit with any because they negotiated. It's why they were paused with any nation that agreed to do so.

What am I missing?

And I'm asking all of this sincerely.

I know I hear people say "America First", but I never heard ANYONE say "America alone" as being the meaning of that. It always came across to me as a "get our own house in order first" message.

The one thing I definitely never understood was how tariffs could replace income tax when the tariffs were all temporary?
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Leisher wrote: Wed Apr 23, 2025 12:52 pm What am I missing?
America First inherently means "less collaboration and less respect" it's by definition. The notion that "We are going to care MORE about ourselves, but that means we will also care MORE about you" is like corporate bullshit. "We're going to cut staff to focus on improve customer service"

It's diametrically opposed to working with others. And, by the US' actions, it's clearly not about respect.
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Strong disagree.

And to be clear, I'm disagreeing the semantics. America First does not mean "less collaboration and less respect" by definition. It means, "Put your oxygen mask on before assisting others". The inclusion of the word "First", literally, states there will be a follow up action not involving America.
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Disagree. This isn't order of operations, this is "where do I spend my limited resources?"
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