GORDON wrote: I meant that the best lesson to take from a history class is that nothing lasts forever.
Well, we both know hearts can change.
GORDON wrote: I feel like I'm maybe still not making a good point.
It's a bit scattered, but I know what you're getting at, and you're not wrong. And here's the thing, I think that point is FAR more important to humanity than whether or not someone understands unit pricing.
Look around at the youth of our country. Never before have we been as educated as we are now, yet we're falling down the rankings when compared to other countries, and there's a socialist movement gaining lots of steam because nobody seems to have been taught or remember the socialism examples from the past. Hell, these fucking morons are so checked out they can't even see how socialism ripped apart Venezuela or how Democratic socialism is tearing apart Europe, particularly culturally.
So hooray that a secretary up to her fucking eyeballs in life crippling debt, thanks to college, can cut a pizza better than whatever monkey cut the one in Catt's pictures, but she's also a Democratic Socialist. She also believes in 47 genders and that sporting competition between two women, even though one of them was born a man, is completely fair.
One of you wrote something about math teaching people to think critically or logically, but I can't find it. Anyway, math all by itself isn't doing that. My example about the secretary is 100% legit and seems to be the norm these days. People need context. History provides that.
TheCatt wrote: Sure, but there's a whole lot of variables there.
Is that some kind of joke about the large number of black men those women have slept with? Racist.
TheCatt wrote: This was the required math class in college for people who were not going on to other maths.
I took something in this realm prior to college algebra and then calc. However, it wasn't a well taught class and it assumed too much. I would want my proposed class to teach how math applies to one's day to day life, which would then take you into the lesson on how to do the actual calculations.
And this is definitely a topic for another thread, but I think the entire education system needs to immediately end all standardized testing, drop common core, and establish a guideline of topics every school and class are expected to cover during a grade/school year. Then let the teachers teach.
TheCatt wrote: "Cut this into quarters" "What's a quarter?" MATH
TheCatt wrote: Americans think a 1/4 lb burger is larger than a 1/3rd pound burger:
GORDON wrote: All that stuff is algebra.
Reminder: My line was clearly set post algebra, but I wasn't sure where to draw it post algebra. So none of this applies to my point.
Cakedaddy wrote: You can't be in ANY trade (electrical, construction, plumber, etc) without knowing math. And being good at it.
For example: Cake is completely off point here and implying I'm 100% anti-math, which isn't even remotely my position.
I can't discuss the issue when you take a statement like "Most people don't need calc" and turn it into "Leisher thinks people don't need to be able to add!"
Cakedaddy wrote: And there are a LOT of people in the trades.
Not as many as there used to be...
Cakedaddy wrote: Just because you sit behind a desk and delegate the hard stuff to other people doesn't mean everyone does!
I don't even know what the fuck this means. I've been on both sides of the desk. There's hard stuff on both sides. It might suck pulling cable while lying in dirt under a trailer, but it also sucks trying to get vendors to reply to emails in a timely fashion or not invoice you 7 months after work was completed!
By the way, a large portion of my friend group are tradespeople, and none of them are solving the Navier-Stokes equation.
Cakedaddy wrote: They still applied basic principles whether you like it or not. You could argue that eyeballing something is poor geometry, because it's probably going to be off. But it's still geometry.
No, by all means, instead of teaching the natural concepts they didn't need a class to use, let's instead stick them into an expensive class and cripple them with debt and really break the subject down in ways they'll never approach again. Genius!
Point being, this goes to prove the Math Concepts class I discussed would be a far more effective way to teach the majority of people whose needed math could end there.
Cakedaddy wrote: Why? You REALLY hate math, don't you!
Math is everything. I don't hate math. I use it everyday. I hate our education system wasting time and money teaching levels of math that won't be retained or used by most people.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”