The one were Wesley didn't was the best.
Even if it never happened.
Coolest ST:TNG moment? - Time to nerd.
Well, it was a good show IN SPITE of wesley crusher.
He was tolerable initially, but got really annoying as the show went on. Didn't he become a Jedi or something? Ugh.
Oh, another cool moment was when the Enterprise went into the neutral zone based on info from the defecting Romulan general and were trapped by three Romulan Warbirds. The unexpected Birds of Prey as backup was pretty sweet.
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"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Q always rocked in that show. Locutus was cool too, other then that I don't know. I mean I like the show but can't really place any great scenes.
BTW i finally saw the time traveling - tiboles episode of DS9, now that was a damn great episode. And Worf not wanting to talk about how the Klingons look was just great
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BTW i finally saw the time traveling - tiboles episode of DS9, now that was a damn great episode. And Worf not wanting to talk about how the Klingons look was just great
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Know what my problem with DS9 is? And stop reading if you don't want it tainted...
Avery Brooks, Captain Cisco, is a straight-up punk ass white-people-hating bitch racist, and there was even a fistfight once between him and the doctor over a white woman. The TNG cast got along great, and the set was a great, fun place to be. The DS9 set was a tomb. So I've heard.
Avery Brooks, Captain Cisco, is a straight-up punk ass white-people-hating bitch racist, and there was even a fistfight once between him and the doctor over a white woman. The TNG cast got along great, and the set was a great, fun place to be. The DS9 set was a tomb. So I've heard.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Amen. I remember like two episodes that didn't make me want to retch. I ususually give Rene Auberjonois & Armin Shimmerman the benefit of the doubt, too.And DS9 sucked.
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Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC: "Better dead than smeg."
I've watched most of the episodes lately, and I can say this... the last couple years, I guess they got someone on the writing staff who...
Well, there was a war-story arc for a couple years. It was pretty cool seeing hundreds and hundreds of ships in combat around the station.
Well, there was a war-story arc for a couple years. It was pretty cool seeing hundreds and hundreds of ships in combat around the station.
"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
Exactly. I never caught the show on air since the local channels didn't show ds9. But when I finally saw the last seasons on spike I loved actually seeing full blown wars going on in the star trek universe, sue me :pI've watched most of the episodes lately, and I can say this... the last couple years, I guess they got someone on the writing staff who...
Well, there was a war-story arc for a couple years. It was pretty cool seeing hundreds and hundreds of ships in combat around the station.
DS9 was also stupid because it was a space station that really wasn't that important. I mean they tried to pretend it was vital, but if it was, wouldn't the Federation have placed more protection around it or at least had ships come to dock there more frequently.
I think they were trying to make a character driven Trek story without all the space travel and realized the characters sucked so they spiced it up with space battles and Worf.
And was it me or did everyone on Voyager look like a total pussy? When your toughest guy is a chick, there's a problem.
TNG worked well because it was our galaxy they explored and fought in. The crew got along and were perfectly cast. They had multiple badasses, one hippie, and one diplomat. They had their playboy in Ryker, their humor in Data, their Oscar speeches in Picard, etc. Interestingly, they didn't really have anyone cast for sex appeal. (I wonder why? Really.)
If...I'm sorry...When Trek gets brought back (and it's still too soon), they need to follow the ST and TNG formula. Friends who are as close as family traveling through space among other friends and enemies. Make them capable and their ship tough, don't make them the hunted.
I once told someone of a plan I had for a Trek relaunch...
I think they were trying to make a character driven Trek story without all the space travel and realized the characters sucked so they spiced it up with space battles and Worf.
And was it me or did everyone on Voyager look like a total pussy? When your toughest guy is a chick, there's a problem.
TNG worked well because it was our galaxy they explored and fought in. The crew got along and were perfectly cast. They had multiple badasses, one hippie, and one diplomat. They had their playboy in Ryker, their humor in Data, their Oscar speeches in Picard, etc. Interestingly, they didn't really have anyone cast for sex appeal. (I wonder why? Really.)
If...I'm sorry...When Trek gets brought back (and it's still too soon), they need to follow the ST and TNG formula. Friends who are as close as family traveling through space among other friends and enemies. Make them capable and their ship tough, don't make them the hunted.
I once told someone of a plan I had for a Trek relaunch...
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
Aha!DS9 was also stupid because it was a space station that really wasn't that important. I mean they tried to pretend it was vital, but if it was, wouldn't the Federation have placed more protection around it or at least had ships come to dock there more frequently.
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It wasn't a Federation space station, and so only a handful of Starfleet peeps were invited to caretake it. The station was built and used by cardassians while cardassia occupied Bejor. When the Cardassians went home, the Bejorans got the space station as part of the treaty... and right after that the wormhole, the only known stable doorway to the other side of the galaxy, was found. O'Brien moved the space station to the wormhole to claim it for the Bejorans before the Cardassians could do the same. Starfleet provided backup.
Also in that first episode, we saw how Commander Cisco's wife was killed by Picard at Wolf 359. And it was Picard who put Cisco officially in command of the station. There was tension.
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"Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid."
I still have hopes for this.If...I'm sorry...When Trek gets brought back...
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As to the series of Star Trek, they seem to fit pretty well with Thomas Schatz's stages of genre evolution.
1) Experimental stage: The conventions of the genre are isolated and established. TOS defined just what it was Star Trek was supposed to be, a story of intrepid and capable explorers going where no man had gone before.
2) Classic stage: The conventions reach "equilibrium" and are mutually understood by artists and audience. TNG didn't have to retread "this is what Star Trek is", that was already done. They continued with what TOS had done in most areas of the show, without stepping too far out into new territory as far as the style went. They even had the same intro text (except for "no one" in place of "no man").
3) Refinement stage: Certain formal and stylistic details embellish the form. This would be DS9, where they started to experiement heavily in political storylines, and moving the plots out of federation space and spaceships to look at how the people in the rest of the galaxy interacted. We still have capable characters, but we've stopped with the exploring on the whole, instead focusing on one group of species and situations with ongoing storylines.
4) Baroque stage: The form and its embellishments are accented to the point where they themselves become the "substance" or "content" of the work. Sometimes referred to as the "Parody" stage, this is the point where the genre moves so far away from where it started that it's almost making fun of itself. And this is Voyager, where they go "going where no one has gone before", but they do NOT do so boldly nor are they intrepid and competant explorers. The series is alomst a parody of itself.
After the Baroque stage, a genre typically will cycle back to the first stage. Enterprise took us back to the single ship of intrepid and capable explorers charting unknown space, and the series was reborn ... sort of. It got sidetracked and lost somewhere, so I'm not sure if it really counts as the completion of the cycle.
1) Experimental stage: The conventions of the genre are isolated and established. TOS defined just what it was Star Trek was supposed to be, a story of intrepid and capable explorers going where no man had gone before.
2) Classic stage: The conventions reach "equilibrium" and are mutually understood by artists and audience. TNG didn't have to retread "this is what Star Trek is", that was already done. They continued with what TOS had done in most areas of the show, without stepping too far out into new territory as far as the style went. They even had the same intro text (except for "no one" in place of "no man").
3) Refinement stage: Certain formal and stylistic details embellish the form. This would be DS9, where they started to experiement heavily in political storylines, and moving the plots out of federation space and spaceships to look at how the people in the rest of the galaxy interacted. We still have capable characters, but we've stopped with the exploring on the whole, instead focusing on one group of species and situations with ongoing storylines.
4) Baroque stage: The form and its embellishments are accented to the point where they themselves become the "substance" or "content" of the work. Sometimes referred to as the "Parody" stage, this is the point where the genre moves so far away from where it started that it's almost making fun of itself. And this is Voyager, where they go "going where no one has gone before", but they do NOT do so boldly nor are they intrepid and competant explorers. The series is alomst a parody of itself.
After the Baroque stage, a genre typically will cycle back to the first stage. Enterprise took us back to the single ship of intrepid and capable explorers charting unknown space, and the series was reborn ... sort of. It got sidetracked and lost somewhere, so I'm not sure if it really counts as the completion of the cycle.
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Bah. That show was still ass.
Agreed.
While the battles were kind of cool, the participants weren't. I mean who cares about the crew of DS9 in the Defiant? The Cardassians were boring as were The Dominion. So the battles didn't mean anything.
The battles in TNG seemed to be more important. DS9 seemed like a ratings ploy.
And that lesbian kiss has no passion.
"Happy slaves are the worst enemies of freedom." - Marie Von Ebner
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies..." - Orwell