The [s]First[/s] [s]Only[/s] Second Trump term

[Malcolm]

Ahhh.

Here's hoping those crafty Mexicans don't figure out ladders.

Those will be addressed in Wall 2.0.

[Leisher]

Part of the problem

Because Obama's DOJ said so?

While I've pointed out how public sector hiring is completely fucked and standards are being lowered in the name of diversity, I found Obama's DOJ to be very prejudiced.

So for them to do a report claiming cops are a big part of the problem rather than a certain demographic's culture...I'm skeptical.

Damn, they could make almost 12 Obamacare websites for that amount.

I laughed.

[TheCatt]

Ahhh.

Here's hoping those crafty Mexicans don't figure out ladders.

That's when we add the turrets.*

* - Which has always been my idea, and my idea alone that I came up with all by myself.

[Malcolm]

Because Obama's DOJ said so?

Didn't Dipshit Drumpf just say he was going to "send in the Feds?" And as for the CPD...

A man had been walking down a residential street with a friend when officers drove up, shined a light on him, and ordered him to freeze, because he had been fidgeting with his waistband. The man ran. Three officers gave chase and began shooting as they ran. In total, the officers fired 45 rounds, including 28 rifle rounds, toward the man. Several rounds struck the man, killing him. The officers claimed the man fired at them during the pursuit. Officers found no gun on the man.

A CPD officer fatally shot a fleeing, unarmed suspect in the back. The officer told investigators the suspect had turned around to point a black object. This account did not square with the location of the shooting victim's gunshot wounds and appeared contrary to video footage that showed the suspect running away from the officer. Again, IPRA (Independent Police Review Authority) accepted the officer's account, despite the conflicting evidence. IPRA's final report of the incident did not mention the existence of the video.

Video evidence showed the tragic end of a foot pursuit of a man who was not a threat when an officer shot him in the back. The officer, who fired 16 shots, killing the man, claimed on his force report that the man was armed and the man "charged (him) with apparent firearm." The officer shot the man during the foot pursuit, and dashboard-camera footage showed that as the unarmed man lay on the ground, the officer fired three shots into his back. CPD stripped the officer of his police powers after this shooting -- his third that year -- and the City paid the man's family $4.1 million in settlement.

In one incident, an officer's neighbor called to report that some boys were playing basketball on the officer's property. The officer, on duty, left his district to respond and found the teenage boys down the street on their bikes. The officer pointed his gun at them, used profanity, and threatened to put their heads through a wall and to blow up their homes. ... The mothers reported the incident to IPRA. The officer, who had not reported the use of force, accepted a finding of "sustained" and received a five-day suspension.

In another case, an officer forcibly handcuffed a 12-year-old Latino boy who was outside riding a bike under his father's supervision. A plainclothes officer, responding to a report of "two male Hispanics running from" the area, detained the boy. According to the boy and his father, the officer approached the boy, ordered him to stop his bike, forcibly handcuffed him, pulled him off his bike, and placed him up against a fence. ... The boy's father approached the officer, explained that his son was only 12 years old, and asked what was going on. ... The officer placed the boy in the back of a police vehicle before eventually releasing him. The officer's only apparent basis for this detention was the boy's race, which is constitutionally unreasonable.

Officers hit a 16-year-old girl with a baton and then Tasered her after she was asked to leave the school for having a cell phone in violation of school rules. Officers were called in to arrest her for trespassing. Officers claimed the force was justified because she flailed her arms when they tried to arrest her, with no adequate explanation for how such flailing met the criteria for use of a Taser.

Yep. They sound like they were respecting the hell out of the rights of those people.

[GORDON]

I've been thikning about automated turrets for years. Ever see Doomsday? Not even a hoppy little bunny can escape those.

[Leisher]

Ahhh.

Here's hoping those crafty Mexicans don't figure out ladders.

That's when we add the turrets.*

* - Which has always been my idea, and my idea alone that I came up with all by myself.

Will they be the best turrets?

Yep. They sound like they were respecting the hell out of the rights of those people.

Color me impressed! A city of millions has some bad cops and you found some examples. Well fucking done!

Meanwhile, dozens of black people are killed every week in Chicago by other black people (without badges). Nobody gives a fuck though because it doesn't fit their agenda. (And yes, you have an agenda.)

But please, keep telling me how it's the cop's fault.

More cop violence in Chicago!

[Malcolm]

Meanwhile, dozens of black people are killed every week in Chicago by other black people (without badges).

Let me know when those guys swear an oath to uphold public safety and trust.

[TPRJones]

Color me impressed! A city of millions has some bad cops and you found some examples. Well fucking done!

The real problem is not the bad cops, it's the hundreds of so-called "good" cops that protect them and allow them to get away with murder. Every bad cop not immediately arrested by his peers for his misdeeds is not a single bad cop, it is an entire department of bad cops.

[Leisher]

Meanwhile, dozens of black people are killed every week in Chicago by other black people (without badges).

Let me know when those guys swear an oath to uphold public safety and trust.

Whatever you say Trump. Let me know when ignorance of the law, or worse, a belief that you're above it, excuses you from committing a crime.

Why are 57 people being murdered over a weekend in Chicago? "Cops". But none of the shootings involved police. "Cops".

You might as well be in a white hood holding a torch and screaming "Niggers".

The real problem is not the bad cops, it's the hundreds of so-called "good" cops that protect them and allow them to get away with murder. Every bad cop not immediately arrested by his peers for his misdeeds is not a single bad cop, it is an entire department of bad cops.

If only you two perfect creatures were cops. Then we'd see things get straightened out, huh? Sorry, some of my snark towards Malcolm is still in my fingertips here. What you're saying is good in theory, but in reality it's not that black and white. There's so much that goes into what you're saying that you don't take into account. You can't because you don't know about the job. Instead of throwing out blanket utopian statements, try listening sometime when people who know the system are criticizing it. There are roots that can be traced to fix the issues, but they're deep.

Cops try to get changes made, but you don't hear those stories because they're not on the nightly news. You don't hear about police chiefs who get caught surfing child porn, get arrested by their co-workers, and then get away with it due to friends in higher places (politicians) and the arresting officers punished. You don't hear about cops filing grieves with their union reps. You don't hear about cops being hated by other cops because they're "bad" or bad at their job, but can't be fired because of connections or the union or whatever. You don't hear about how the most qualified people are skipped over for the job because they're not in a certain demographic. You don't hear about how budget cuts mean 1 cop per car rather than 2, which means cops are in far more danger and more likely to react stupidly. Why the budget cuts? Got to afford those entitlements!

There is a LOT wrong with police departments across the nation and I'd be happy to discuss it, but I don't want to derail this thread nor will I do it with anyone whose default answer is that all cops are the devil and should be hurt or killed. I need someone whose mind isn't already made up. I'd rather go discuss why gays are ok with the Westboro church members. I think I'd have a better chance of changing a mind there.

But fix ALL of that, and you'll still have 57 people getting murdered in Chicago on a typical weekend. Oh, and Trump still building a wall we don't need.

[TheCatt]

Congress will pitch in $12B, and Trump will tax Mexican imports 20%.

I'm sure neither will trickle down to the American taxpayer/consumer.

[TPRJones]

Leisher, I'm afraid I can't disagree more.

What you're saying is good in theory, but in reality it's not that black and white.

Yes, it is exactly that. When you give one citizen extraordinary power over the lives of other citizens, you have to hold them to a very high standard because otherwise you have institutionalized tyranny.

I expect much more out of cops than everyone else (with the possible exceptions of fire fighters and politicians; I also expect them to also be above reproach or removed from the job). Frankly I expect a whole lot more out of cops than just policing each other to remove the blatant murderers from their ranks, but let's just start with that shall we? Because anything less than expecting the highest standards of conduct from them turns into arguing about how much tyranny is an acceptable amount of tyranny.

But fix ALL of that, and you'll still have 57 people getting murdered in Chicago on a typical weekend.

I don't give a flying damn how many people are murdered in Chicago every weekend, as long as the number of citizens unjustifiably murdered by cops is zero.

[Malcolm]

Why are 57 people being murdered over a weekend in Chicago? "Cops".

The community has absolutely zero faith in the police anymore. That means they're less apt to cooperate with them. Much of that has roots in the actions and incidents described in the DoJ investigation.

If only you two perfect creatures were cops.

The local Vic Mackey would have me on a hit list in about a week. Furthermore, I'd probably flunk out of the academy because I'd fail the one test where cadets have to shove their entire head up their own asshole.

You can't because you don't know about the job.

I understand the job seems to involve overreacting to and shooting a lot of unarmed citizens while bitching whenever someone tries to video you doing it.

Cops try to get changes made...

Well they're doing a pretty fucking horrible job. And I don't want to hear them whining about how it's h4rd. I don't see anyone putting a gun to their head making them be a cop.

[Malcolm]

Drumpf ping-pongs.

White House press secretary Sean Spicer on Thursday walked back his statement that Dipshit Donald Trump supports a plan to tax imports in order to pay for a wall along the U.S. -Mexico border.

Spicer suggested that a 20 percent tax on imports from countries "like Mexico" could be used to fund the proposed barrier along the southern U.S. border, and he said the administration was already working with Congress
...
Later, however, Spicer quickly walked back his comments. The a tax on imports, he said, was one possibility for raising revenue, not a specific policy proposal.

Really?

Donald Trump said Wednesday there would be no ISIS had the US kept Iraq's oil, following the US invasion into the country.

"We should have kept the oil when we got out. And you know, it's very interesting. Had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have ISIS, because they fuel themselves with the oil. That's where they got the money," the Dipshit told ABC's David Muir.

"We should have taken the oil. You wouldn't have ISIS if we took the oil."

[GORDON]

Is this like.... the media exaggerates some off the cuff statement, then talks about how trump is flip flopping when it turns out they were idiots? Just curious. Seems liek the kind of thing they'd do in 2017.

[TheCatt]

When you're the press secretary, your statements are never off the cuff (or, should not be)

[GORDON]

Yeah but when you deal with the enemy, you never tell the truth...

[Malcolm]

Yeah but when you deal with the enemy, you never tell the truth...

Drumpf's "truth" is whatever is most convenient for him at the moment.

[GORDON]

Says his blood enemy.

[Malcolm]

Says his blood enemy.

You are aware I've never met that walking bag of dicks, right? Nor have I protested at any of his events or buildings.

[GORDON]

And yet, you are.