Fat people in advertising

[GORDON]

Doesn't feel awful to me. The strain of pushing weight... I don't know. And afterwards, the pleasant ache.... like how Leisher's butthole aches after sex.... it tells me I worked hard today and did my exercises.

Yesterday I swam a mile+, really wore myself out... but then like 4 hours later I was in the mood to go swim another mile, because why not?

tldr - it isn't an awful sensation, to me. Moving around and being active feels good. I don't know if it's because I am used to it, or what. If so that would imply there is a hump you could power through. If not maybe some people are just physiologically different than other in regard to muscles and nerves.

[Leisher]

like how Leisher's butthole aches after sex

That is weird isn't it? I mean who gets sympathy pains in their butthole except me?

For those of you who do exercise, how do you get past the fact that moving muscles feels so damned awful? I mean, how do you commit to constantly experiencing that awful sensation of movement in order to progress?

You move muscles to eat, laugh, jerk off, fuck, play games, etc.

If so that would imply there is a hump you could power through.

As he says, you've got to get past that initial "This fucking sucks" mentality. Get an exercise bike instead of the treadmill. Then you can sit down while you exercise. Baby Steps!

[TPRJones]

I was in decent shape for a time during college. I ate well and exercised regularly. I hated it all the time. I never got through a hump regarding exercise; movement never felt good and that ache afterwards was never pleasant. I've occasionally heard people talk about how it "hurts so good" but it sounds like that wasn't just masochism?

It's probably some sort of "how can we know if the color you call blue is the same to you as the color I call blue is to me" brain crap.

You move muscles to eat, laugh, jerk off, fuck, play games, etc.

Fixed. Some things just aren't worth the effort. Doesn't take much effort to eat or play games, though.

[GORDON]

I feel better than I have in a decade, now that I am exercising regularly, again. Physically I feel how I used to feel pre-nerve disease, mentally I am feeling more calm and balanced. I train hard so the scuba and hiking with the kid is easy, and that's good for my well being. I am sleeping better than I have in years.

It's just great all over, something else I told the wife last night. "I don't have time to exercise." "Well you've got to make time because it is your health and no one can work out for you, and it isn't going to be any easier to start in 10 years when your doctor says exercise or die."

[Malcolm]

For those of you who do exercise, how do you get past the fact that moving muscles feels so damned awful? I mean, how do you commit to constantly experiencing that awful sensation of movement in order to progress?

Define "awful." I feel far more awful sitting around doing nothing (but I've got a physical reason for that), although getting there was a multi-step process that began in my head.

1) It took quite a lot of thinking about this quote from a boring Frenchman I first read over two decades ago:

“All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone.”

The vision of endless legions of people sitting alone quietly by themselves seems one possible definition of hell. No one but a boring person living a boring existence would find that acceptable in the long term. Or perhaps I just do not sit still well.

2) A number of years later, I read "Moving Pictures" by Terry Prachett. The protagonist was the only wizard at uni that used the nearly deserted gym. His reason was that he was lazy. His rationale was that it was easier to move around for a few hours per week and end up weighing significantly less than it was to move around for all the other hours of the week carrying around more weight.

3) A career, both academically and professionally, in IT. Watching others badly neglect something of theirs sort of makes me appreciate my version a bit more, I guess.

4) A few years ago, I figured out my back was never, ever going to feel one iota better unless I started gradually clawing my way up the Mount Everest that is reactivating and rebuilding all the tiny-ass muscles I let atrophy. It got that fucked up in the first place partially because I was out of shape when my injury occurred. I'm epically pissed I did something that stupid because it's still preventing me from enjoying Steam.


5) As I've increased my physical activity, I have more energy, get sick less, and recover more quickly from illness. I can't remember the last headache I had that came from something besides dehydration. Contrast this with my buddy who doesn't exercise, has a fucked up sleep schedule, and has been sick 3-4 times in the past month.

6) Maybe I'm weird, but I don't mind soreness the next day in muscle tissue. I consider it verification I did something.

There are other factors, but these are some of the biggies.

[TPRJones]

The vision of endless legions of people sitting alone quietly by themselves seems one possible definition of hell. No one but a boring person living a boring existence would find that acceptable in the long term. Or perhaps I just do not sit still well.

Oh, no, I can't handle boredom at all. If put into a situation where I am required to be bored (church, haircut, seminar, etc) I will immediately fall asleep until it is over. Thanks to computers, sedentary no longer has to mean bored.

[Leisher]

Thanks to computers, sedentary no longer has to mean bored.

Preach on my brother!

I really want one of those exercise bikes that allows you to ride through actual cities and compete with other riders and whatnot. I think Catt posted about them somewhere else.

That would make exercise less boring.

[TheCatt]

I agree with Catt. Unless you are literally so sedentary that your only motion is getting up to use the shitter, then normal life, going to work, moving around, is more than enough activity if you are obese and need to lose weight. It's the diet.

I am the counter-example to this. After 20 weeks of tracking every morsel of food, I've learned my diet is consistently 18% less than the suggested calorie intake for someone of my weight. Quality is not great, but I do make better food choices than most people my size. My problem is that walking to and from the car to home or office is just about all the exercise I get. I'm far more sedentary than what is meant when people use the word "sedentary".

But I'm probably a rare case. Few people come as close to being voluntarily immobile as I do.

Eat 1,500 calories, with no sugars/carbs, and I'll believe that you are a counter-example. Otherwise, I still say change your diet.

[TheCatt]

For those of you who do exercise, how do you get past the fact that moving muscles feels so damned awful? I mean, how do you commit to constantly experiencing that awful sensation of movement in order to progress?

I get endorphin highs from exercising. Plus the testosterone burst from lifting feels great, too.

The soreness doesn't last long. For me, any particular exercise, I'm over the soreness part in 1-2 weeks.

[TPRJones]

Eat 1,500 calories, with no sugars/carbs, and I'll believe that you are a counter-example. Otherwise, I still say change your diet.

Well that's silly. You've picked a completely arbitrary number there. It depends on all sorts of factors. Not to mention that you've indicated that intake of any carbs at all completely invalidates any other hints of healthy eating. That seems a bit extreme.

According to all the online calorie calculators, given my age, weight, height, my weight should maintain at 3000-3600 calories per day. Over the last 20 weeks I have averaged (with little variation from the mean) just under 2500 calories per day. I haven't forsaken sugar and carbs, but I do generally eat veggies and meat more than sugar and carbs. Given all the known information about how these things are supposed to work that is considered dieting, yes?

If so then dieting along does not work in a time span of 20 weeks. If that is not dieting then what percentage cut of calorie intake from "maintenance" level is required to be dieting? Are you sticking with 1500, which is a cut of 60% off of what should be required to maintain my current weight.

Exercise matters. And believe me I wish that weren't so because I really really REALLY don't want to do that.

[GORDON]

I have never heard of a 3600 calorie diet outside of some sort of athlete.

[TheCatt]

Eat 1,500 calories, with no sugars/carbs, and I'll believe that you are a counter-example. Otherwise, I still say change your diet.

Well that's silly. You've picked a completely arbitrary number there. It depends on all sorts of factors. Not to mention that you've indicated that intake of any carbs at all completely invalidates any other hints of healthy eating. That seems a bit extreme.

According to all the online calorie calculators, given my age, weight, height, my weight should maintain at 3000-3600 calories per day. Over the last 20 weeks I have averaged (with little variation from the mean) just under 2500 calories per day. I haven't forsaken sugar and carbs, but I do generally eat veggies and meat more than sugar and carbs. Given all the known information about how these things are supposed to work that is considered dieting, yes?

1500 calories forever. The "maintain your weight" calculators are pretty much BS, and individual variance can easily be 33% +/-. The # isn't arbitrary. Do it. Forever.

[Alhazad]

I was just making a joke about people who sweat for 15 minutes at the gym then decide they've "earned" dessert. No, STOP EATING DESSERT YOU FUCKING COW.

You're not surprised that a code of conduct based on "you don't deserve nice things as much as you think you do" hasn't taken off, I hope.

[TPRJones]

I have never heard of a 3600 calorie diet outside of some sort of athlete.

Yeah, that seemed way too high. That's why I checked a bunch of them and went with the lowest ones at 3000 for a baseline that I needed to stay below.

1500 calories forever. The "maintain your weight" calculators are pretty much BS, and individual variance can easily be 33% +/-. The # isn't arbitrary. Do it. Forever.

Well, alright then. If I stayed at 1500 a day I would certainly lose weight, that's for sure. I will give it a go.

EDIT: Well, in a couple of weeks. I'm currently finishing up week 2 of a 4 week experiment where I eat and drink exactly the same things at the same time for four weeks in a row and see what happens with that weight variability thing I seem to have going on. Week 1 I gained 13 pounds. So far in week 2 I've lost 18 pounds. I don't track exercise because I don't do any to track.

[GORDON]

Tapeworm?

Also 2500 calories is the max I have ever seen for an adult to maintain whatever weight.

[TPRJones]

No, if I had a tapeworm I wouldn't also be gaining weight seemingly at random, only loosing.

According to what I've been able to dig up, at 2500 calories I should be drifting down towards an equilibrium around 300 pounds. Not an end goal, just the first checkpoint. But clearly I'm going to either have to drop well below that mark in calories or start exercising. Honestly I'd rather starve then exercise, so I'll try that first.

[Malcolm]

Thanks to computers, sedentary no longer has to mean bored.

I have two points going against me there:

1) Thanks to a lifetime of IT, I have developed a serious love-hate relationship with tech and PCs in particular. I can't stand to be in front of them for long periods of time but I'm not at all interested in cutting them out. It doesn't matter if I have a hundred different pieces of software I really want to try. Once that time limit is reached, I'm done.

2) The past few years, I have also had my internal switch flip from "feels weird if I don't game a few times per week" to "feels exceptionally weird and shitty if I don't hit the gym a few times per week with proper cardio." Even if I had a magic chair that was perpetually comfy, that sensation would still kick in.

According to all the online calorie calculators, given my age, weight, height, my weight should maintain at 3000-3600 calories per day.

That is ab-fucking-surd and way too high. I don't think of myself as sedentary or aerobically inactive and I'd consider that a high count for me.

Over the last 20 weeks I have averaged (with little variation from the mean) just under 2500 calories per day.

That still seems high.

Well, alright then. If I stayed at 1500 a day I would certainly lose weight, that's for sure. I will give it a go.

Don't do that all at once. Your body prefers gradual change to sudden, drastic shocks to the system. If you've not done this sort of thing before, you may want to limit your caloric intake differential (since the daily average isn't catastrophically high) to 250-500 per 1-2 weeks. Same thing goes if you're changing up the normal fare that provides your calories. If you're allergic to the notion of exercise, you may want to shoot for a total of 1500-2000 per day. The numeric boundaries that determine whether or not you lose, gain, or merely tread water with weight are slimmer than you'd believe, which means any slacking off beyond a day or two makes it that much harder to get back on track.

[Alhazad]

No, if I had a tapeworm I wouldn't also be gaining weight seemingly at random, only loosing.

According to what I've been able to dig up, at 2500 calories I should be drifting down towards an equilibrium around 300 pounds. Not an end goal, just the first checkpoint. But clearly I'm going to either have to drop well below that mark in calories or start exercising. Honestly I'd rather starve then exercise, so I'll try that first.

You also live in Texas, home of the sun. What do you drink when you need to rehydrate?

I assume you are already counting any calories coming from drinks?

[TPRJones]

I mostly drink water (two to three bottles a day). Other than water I generally only drink soda (one with breakfast, sometimes a second in the afternoon on the weekends) and those calories are included. No coffee or tea or similar drinks to worry about how to count.

I also don't go outside except to get into or out of the car, so the sun isn't really a problem.

[Leisher]

I tried some various things a few years back.

The first was cutting out all drinks except water and unsweetened iced tea. This has stuck for years. I saw an immediate drop in weight when I made the change.

The second was P90X which had me lose some weight, but I actually bulked up more as I was building muscle. (You will NOT look as advertised after 90 days. You have to go through it a few times.)

The third was crazy successful. 30 pounds in 30 days. Wii Fit for 1 hour every night and I ate approx 100 calories at 8, 9, 10, 11, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. Sensible lunches and dinners at 12 and 6. No snacking after 6.