Climate Change (fka man-made global warming)

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That's too bad. I prefer the cold weather.

And thank goodness they still got their "the sky is falling" bullet points into that article too.
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Maybe, but maybe not.

There's other factors in play. Of course the heat put out by the sun isn't going to drop by 60%, that's dumb. But a drop by 60% in sunspot activity could have an effect on cloud formation. There's some evidence that cloud formation may be driven by cosmic rays impinging warm moist air. If that theory is true then a 60% drop in sunspots means less solar wind blocking cosmic rays which means more cosmic rays hitting earth which means more cloud formation which means a cool down of the climate.

If nothing else it will be a good test of that cloud formation theory. No cool down means it's wrong.

EDIT: Heh. Butt formation.




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Models still overshooting actual temperatures.
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Haha. [url=http://www.benchmarkreporter.com/crazy- ... llion-tonn
es/8943/]Text version[/url].
They wrote in a policy brief published by the SEI, “Overall, the use of JI may have enabled global GHG emissions to be about 600 million tCO2e (tons of carbon dioxide equivalent) higher than they would have otherwise been.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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World must "completely" go off carbon in the next few decades. OR ELSE.
It is clear that global society must almost completely decarbonise in the next 30-35 years, or sooner if possible, to tackle the climate change challenge effectively. This means that the vast majority of fossil fuels must stay in the ground.
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Al Gore said we were already last the point of no return 2 years ago, so there's no point now. He had a consensus of scientists, too.
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The debate is over.
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35 years? I'm not sure I care anymore unless they discover human immortality.
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Another "we're screwed at some undetermined, movable point in the future" study.
“It’s pretty certain we are locked into at least 3 feet of sea level rise, and probably more,” said Steve Nerem, head of NASA’s Sea Level Change Team. “But we don’t know whether it will happen within a century or somewhat longer.”
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It's amazing how they can look at evidence of millions of years of ice ages and ebbs, seal levels rising and falling, never stopping, and come to the conclusion that it might still be happening. Someone get these people more grant money, stat.
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There may or may not have been a "pause." Since agreement can't even get reached on that...
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Freeman Dyson says Obama is wrong, Republicans are right on climate change.

He's one of the smartest men in the world and a big time Democrat and Obama supporter.
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Whoa, you want to see our research details? Fuck you.
Citing confidentiality concerns and the integrity of the scientific process, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) said it won’t give Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) the research documents he subpoenaed.

On what planet does your scientific process depend on confidential methodology?
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This isn't relevant to anything I just wanted to save the quote somewhere.
What matters, rather, is the strength of the longing. Modern liberalism is best understood as a movement of would-be believers in search of true faith. For much of the 20th century it was faith in History, especially in its Marxist interpretation. Now it's faith in the environment. Each is a comprehensive belief system, an instruction sheet on how to live, eat and reproduce, a story of how man fell and how he might be redeemed, a tale of impending crisis that's also a moral crucible.

In short, a religion without God.

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This guy talking about how NASA has "massively" altered historical temperature datasets.

[url=http://notrickszone.com/2015/11/20/german-professor-examines-nasa-giss-temperature-datasets-finds-they-have-been-massively-al tered/]http://notrickszone.com/2015....altered[/url]

I've been mentioning "adjusted" data for years, which means there are no more accurate models for climate if there are no original, unadjusted temperature numbers. Everything after this point is bullshit that people will still kill you to defend.




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It never looks like hysteria when you are in the middle of it. It never feels like a mania when you are being consumed by righteous zealotry. It never looks or feels like a cult when you believe it to the depths of your soul.

True believers are never swayed by the evidence. They believe the absence of empirical data is a test of their faith. They might skew the data in order to lure in those who still hold to an outmoded view of empirical science, but they themselves have given their lives to the narrative, not to the facts.

If you can still be a true believer when the facts tell another story, your status within the cult will be enhanced. If you really want to take it a step further into delirium, you should propose punishing and persecuting those who do not believe.

-- Stuart Schneiderman on climate change but it's true of any popular belief system that sweeps through groups of people
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I searched for "peak oil" and the only hit was this thread... so fuckit. I'll say this here.

Saudi Arabia has opened the spigots full blast, and I heard something about Obama's amazing treaty with Iran opened trade with them (even though oil is fungible and was still in the markets, but I dunno), and the price of gas is dropping like a rock. I filled up for $1.40 the other day. This is the lowest I remember seeing gas since 9/11.

I have always heard gas at $3+ was "an anchor on the economy." Does this mean the anchor is gone? The economy may explode right around the next presidential election.... if this next recession I have been hearing about doesn't erase those gains.

Thoughts?
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The economy is just weird right now. China is slowing, oil producing countries are getting hammered. All of this should be good news for the US, but it's not... at least, not yet.

Manufacturing has been in contraction for 2 months in a row in the US.

I don't know what that anchor means. It's a stupid term. Things change. The US used to not be able to affordably produce oil, but now with shale we can product oil down to around $40/bbl. We broke the hold that OPEC held. Saudi Arabia is playing offense, since they can produce profitably (although with governement deficits) down to $6-8/bbl. Now Iran's going to add 500,000 to 1M bbls/day.

It's a crazy world. But gas here is still like $1.90
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