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Leisher wrote:Things you listed can be tracked, but it's impossible to give stats for game plans to account for players and their skills. It's all going to be really difficult to account for actual double teams versus "Well, we're both standing here, and he's the only rusher..."
The list goes on and on. It's impossible to track intangibles in football.

In baseball you can see the defensive shifts and how a pitcher pitches to a batter, etc. Football's far more complex and makes stat tracking pretty tough.
You create more stats.
How do you create a stat to show that teams spent a season not throwing to Richard Sherman's side of the field intentionally? How do you track game planning to not blitz Big Ben because his QBR skyrockets when he's under pressure? How do you track WRs coming out of their routes to make plays?

Again, there are stats for this. You look at how a given team targets particular receivers, or uses particular formations across other teams. You look at blitzes against BB or others.

It's more complicated than baseball, but a good model should account for all of this.
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How do you create a stat to show that teams spent a season not throwing to Richard Sherman's side of the field intentionally? How do you track game planning to not blitz Big Ben because his QBR skyrockets when he's under pressure? How do you track WRs coming out of their routes to make plays?

1) Cornerbacks have a stat that tracks the QB rating of those players throwing to their side of the field.
2) You analyze the number of dropbacks, hurries, throws on the run to what side, etc.
3) You can analyze the play being run and see when they improvise routes or run them badly or well.




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I think we just created a multi-million dollar business.

We get tapes for as many seasons as we can, break down every conceivable stat, and then sell those stats to teams.
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Leisher wrote:I think we just created a multi-million dollar business.

We get tapes for as many seasons as we can, break down every conceivable stat, and then sell those stats to teams.
You don't need tapes. You can get these stats, particularly if you're willing to spend cash to buy other's data. Like I said before though, it's not a guarantee of optimal performance, it's only a useful guide. Without some instinct to leverage the analytics, you end up as a team that looks good during the regular season but is vulnerable during the playoffs. In the short term, their predictive power is suspect.
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People already do this, unfortunately, so it's not an opportunity for us.

As for the tapes, you can't use broadcast tapes, you have to use "All 22" film
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The Rams proposal.

Just reading that document, it seems like they make a really strong case, but I know they're the long shot.
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According to a study cited by the Rams, St. Louis, which also is home to MLB's Cardinals and the NHL's Blues, ranks 61st out of 64 major cities in recent economic growth and has the lowest population growth of any major U.S. city since 2008.

That was true before the team moved to the cesspool, and they didn't bitch about it when they were winning.

1) The Deadbirds have the second-most world series titles after the Yankees, and their stadium complex in downtown rakes in cash.
2) The Lose haven't ever won a Stanley cup, but they are a virtual lock to make the postseason.
3) The actual city itself is under 1M in population. But the nearby suburbs jack that figure up considerably.
4) Stan's a dick.
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Joining Barry Sanders in the "Hell, no" club?
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Bucs fire Lovie Smith.

This is kind of shocking. Based on the comments in the article the players seem pissed.

LeBron dumps Manziel.
Sean Payton says he's staying.

So expect him to be elsewhere by the end of the week?




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D-Jax takes a few shots at Chip Kelly.
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HGH thing still low key.
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If an NFL player had a major injury, they are using HGH to recover. Maybe it's not that big news because everyone just assumes it - I know I do now.

I lost an insane amount of leg muscle in my left quad after the ACL tear. Like 2/3 in comparison or more to the right. I read that your body releases hormones so it happens automatically and HGH is the only thing out there to not make it so drastic.

Adrian Peterson was playing again after *8 months!! post surgery(*Malcolm did the math) and had reconstruction Dec 30th of that year. That is fucking insane, and is more of a telltale sign that scripts to Peyton's wife, imo.




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Adrian Peterson was playing again after 6-7 months!!

8 months.

It may take six to nine months to return to full activity after surgery to reconstruct an ACL injury.

From here. I see nothing amiss given the math.
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Utter horseshit. Return to activity != excel as a running back in the NFL


e:it's not that I care - I think they should be allowed to use it to recover, but he was trucking dudes like it never happened. No way that happens naturally.




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I don't know what "full activity" might mean besides "all the shit you used to do."
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From my PT - at least a year to recover to the level you were at - from seeing other people recover on the soccer field, sometimes much longer for non pros.

A soccer team I am a fan of had one of their star players tear his in January of last year and he's only just starting to look like himself in recent games. And is sure as hell not trucking people like AD was. Here's an article that pretty much says AD had the best recovery of any athlete, ever. It says 9 months, but doesn't really say why or how he did it.

Maybe he's just a unicorn, but it seems much more likely he had a little help, which again, I don't have a huge problem with.




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Some mofos are bionic. Steve McNair had to get shot before his body gave out. Pro athletes can spend a shitload of cash doing nothing but recovery and rehab eight hours a day.



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Coughlin in Philly?

Adam Gase lands Miami job.
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