Star Wars VIII: Last Jedi **SPOILERS**

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Finally actually got around to watching this. I'd read all the spoilers, so no surprises. Some of the stuff is so bad that reading doesn't do them service as to how truly awful they are.

Surprisingly didn't have as big of an issue with the "gravity in space" with the bombers at the beginning. More of an issue with how painfully slow the bombers were. It was like delivering bombs via Amish horse buggy. NASA circa 1970 had faster space craft.

Leia becoming Mary Poppins in Space was more dreadful than I'd imagined.

The Rose and Finn trip to the casino planet was horrible. I really feel bad for the actress that plays Rose, as it's not her fault she just had the misfortune of playing a really shitty character in a really shitty film. In a way she's Jar Jar. But where Jar Jar is a klutz and a screw up that gets himself and his companions into trouble, Rose is an emotional ping pong ball that gets the plot line into trouble. By the end of the casino planet crap I would have traded all of that for a speaking part for Jar Jar on the rebel cruiser.

Has it been mentioned here about the noticeable difference in the length of Luke's hair between his Jedi island real him and his force projection fighting the Solo kid? Made me wonder if they had a rewrite and reshoots.

I still stand by my idea of recasting and taking the series back to the end of Ep6. Go ahead and let JJ try to salvage this abortion he's got on his hands and then fire everybody that had any creative control on this mess. Just say that they are wanting to tell the story of Luke, Leia and Han and where the rebellion went after Vader and do nothing in the first movie that breaks this trilogy. Maybe even in the second film. But if they seem like they've rehabilitated the property after the first film or two, conclude it how you'd planned the trilogy with no regard for this trilogy. Few will care. Especially if they do it right.
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Has it been mentioned here about the noticeable difference in the length of Luke's hair between his Jedi island real him and his force projection fighting the Solo kid? Made me wonder if they had a rewrite and reshoots.
That was on purpose, as the rest of him looked younger too. Something about his force projection being a product of young Solo's last memory of him.
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TheCatt wrote:
Has it been mentioned here about the noticeable difference in the length of Luke's hair between his Jedi island real him and his force projection fighting the Solo kid? Made me wonder if they had a rewrite and reshoots.
That was on purpose, as the rest of him looked younger too. Something about his force projection being a product of young Solo's last memory of him.
I read that after the post. I went back and looked at him in the flash back visions and the final scene. Not sure I buy it. Partly because he doesn't look quite the same as the final battle (though part of that might have been the wind blowing his hair back) and partly because nothing else in the film seemed remotely thought out. I suspect he ran with a fan theory to retro that. But who knows.
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The title of this post is, "Poe Dameron Did Nothing Wrong."

Now that Last Jedi is on Netflix, i can have it on as background noise, and I've realized something.

They tried to make it anti-male/pro-girl, and then one of the ways they did that was to make Poe, the cowboy-style, cocky, talented as hell pilot from the last movie, into a trigger-happy fuckup. They illustrated this in the opening scene, Poe presses the attack on the Dreadnought in an apparent Phyric victory. The entire bomber wing burns, but they got the Dreadnought.

After, Leia slaps him, and demotes him, and says not every problem can be solved by getting in the cockpit and shooting things. Poe defends himself by arguing the Dreadnought had to be taken out, as it has had those massive guns, and was a "fleet killer," but it is clear that, according to the movie, he should be chastened, as illustrated by the shabby way the new leadership treats him.

Fast forward.a few.minutes, the rebel fleet drops out of warp, soon followed by the fleet of the First Order, who can track.them. Fortunately, the rebel fleet floors it, and stays just out of range of the guns of the fleet, and have time, at least, to devise a shitty plan. They were lucky to be out of.range.

Or were they?

If that Dreadnought had survived, it would have been there, and those big guns would have taken out the rebel fleet in a single salvo.

They should have been kissing Poe's hairy beanbag at that point, but nope, nothing. In fact, Leia shoots him. Poe remains the trigger happy cowboy to the end, only gaining redemption when he tries to finally run away, just like the women want him to.

So there. Poe Dameron was right.
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This was an dreadful movie.
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Study claims TLJ bashing was Russian bots.

To be fair, the study apparently is focused on the sexist and racist stuff, but the morons on Rian Johnson's Twitter feed don't understand that.
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Leisher wrote: Study claims TLJ bashing was Russian bots.

To be fair, the study apparently is focused on the sexist and racist stuff, but the morons on Rian Johnson's Twitter feed don't understand that.
Saw that study. Was curious as to how that translated into crappy DVD sales and Solo tanking. But let them tell themselves that.
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Headline is retarded. Study showed about 1% was bots.
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GORDON wrote: Headline is retarded. Study showed about 1% was bots.
Everything about it screams "For fuck's sake please, please come back and see episode 9."
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GORDON wrote: Headline is retarded. Study showed about 1% was bots.
Show me where it says that.

I only found this
Overall, 50.9% of those tweeting negatively was likely politically motivated or not even human
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It was over on reddit. They analyzed the data and said the headline was bullshit.
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GORDON wrote: It was over on reddit. They analyzed the data and said the headline was bullshit.
But you said "I read the study" so then I read (part of) the study. Bah.
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TheCatt wrote:
GORDON wrote: It was over on reddit. They analyzed the data and said the headline was bullshit.
But you said "I read the study" so then I read (part of) the study. Bah.
i read the study when posted on reddit.
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Rian Johnson is still defending his shitty movie claiming his Luke was consistent with OG Luke.

Nope.

Also, the rumor is EP9 will feature the Empire building a superweapon. Finally! A new idea! Superweapons are a must when trying to defeat the 12 people that oppose your infinite army.

Here's a thought: Just use Imperial Star Destroyers to jump via hyperspace into planets and destroy them that way.
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Another Episode 9 tidbit, Variety refers to it as a "course correction".

I'm guessing that means Luke will be resurrected.

That's fine and all, but Rian Johnson broke a LOT of shit. How do you fix the fact that the rebellion has about 10 people left? How do you resurrect several dead characters? How do you retcon hyperspace attacks? How do you make us forget that "space bombers" moved super slowly in space and relied upon fucking gravity...in space...to release their payloads? And so on and on and on and on and on.
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Leisher wrote: How do you fix the fact that the rebellion has about 10 people left?
Don't you remember the kid force pulling? Soon everyone will be a Jedi, and everything will be fine.
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TheCatt wrote: Soon everyone will be a Jedi, and everything will be fine.
That's what killed SWG:O.

Everyone wanted to be a Jedi.
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There is a director out there, Kyle Newman, who was on a podcast talking about TLJ. He said he knows "maybe 2" people in Hollywood who liked it. He also said he's talked to journalists who gave it a good review who actually hated it. They gave it a good review because if they gave it a negative review, they'd lose access, and thus, hurt their careers. No shit...

This dude discusses it and has the clip if you're interested.


Also, as an FYI, Disney has suspended Rian Johnson's trilogy and there's word he may lose it entirely. Even if they had faith he could make a good one, they don't think fans will support it.
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