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Correct me if I'm wrong, but she definitely came on to him, right? Like I remember this being a completely consensual relationship.

Current thinking is that since he was the boss, and she an underlying, that a consenting relationship is impossible, and it was absolutely rape.

Let's hope this is the case that begins to roll back that insanity, since it is their beloved Bill Clinton.

GORDON wrote: Current thinking is that since he was the boss, and she an underlying, that a consenting relationship is impossible, and it was absolutely rape.

This 100%.

Also, are we forgetting that Monica was not his only fling? He used his power, fame, and money to bed a lot of women throughout his entire career.

Leisher wrote: He used his power, fame, and money to bed a lot of women throughout his entire career.

I have no real problem with this. I mean those things are just natural. Just like women using their sex appeal to get thngs.

Unwanted advances, Weinsteining, exposure, those things are the problem.

TheCatt wrote: I have no real problem with this. I mean those things are just natural.

I really don't either, but I'm now being told it's sexual harassment and rape.

TheCatt wrote: Just like women using their sex appeal to get thngs.

Misogynist. No woman has ever done that.

TheCatt wrote: Unwanted advances

Eh... Are you saying:
1. "Sally, I was just wondering if you'd like to get a drink sometime?"
2. "Sally (as he runs his hand on her thigh), are you wearing panties?"

I ask because certain people have blurred the line separating these things.

TheCatt wrote: Weinsteining

Rape?

TheCatt wrote: exposure

But they can whip out a titty anytime they want... (I'm just busting chops for giggles.)

Leisher wrote: Eh... Are you saying:
1. "Sally, I was just wondering if you'd like to get a drink sometime?"
2. "Sally (as he runs his hand on her thigh), are you wearing panties?"

The latter... or relentlessly repeated versions of the former

Leisher wrote: I really don't either, but I'm now being told it's sexual harassment and rape.

I think it's a pretty small (but vocal) minority saying that.

And now they're grilling slick willie on TV, over it.

I don't think it's a small minority.

I'm with Gordon.

I do NOT condone those who actually raped and/or harassed anyone.

However, people are losing their careers over harmless shit, stuff that was even consensual, or simple accusations.

It's become a witch hunt where all someone has to do is point at you and you're guilty.

Bill still isn't getting the message.

I think the norms have really changed in terms of, what you can do to somebody against their will

He goes on to say it's a good thing, but then does some victim shaming of the first woman to accuse Franken, then suggests that because other women came to Franken's defense that means he was innocent.

Wow.

Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned person

Yep and you should probably just enjoy retirement.

Just so we're all clear, Hardwick's ex-girlfriend went on a show or was interviewed and made disparaging comments about him and now his career is in ruins. No proof was asked for or offered.

That's where we are now as a society.

Progress!

Some big names were at a NXIVM party in 2007.

This is a huge deal if true, and as one person has already pointed out, this is a real person making these claims. If false, they're opening themselves up to libel lawsuits.

This story would link several prominent Dems to a sex slave cult, including someone working directly for Hillary (at links to two sex cults is that enough to say "maybe something is going on here"?, and show that they were more than likely keeping it safe from law enforcement, but we all know it'll be ignored. Even though it features CNN center of attention Stormy Daniels...

2 sex cults?

At least. Epstein, Abromovic, the pizza guy...not to mention the Haiti thing.

As soon as they introduced the ping pong pizza guy, they lost me.

thibodeaux wrote: At least. Epstein, Abromovic, the pizza guy...not to mention the Haiti thing.

Is one of those the owner of the Lolita Express that Bill flew on more than once?

William Control, whoever the fuck that is, also ran a sex cult.

Architect to the stars is a pedophile.

Bill Clinton's spiritual adviser is a pedophile.

Ryan Phillippe must have better agents than Chris Hardwick.

When did it become acceptable to assume that women were always helpless, always victims, and had no control over their own lives?

It's the most sexist position I've ever seen.