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I am so sick and tired of Kerry talking about "his plan".
Every damn sentence that comes out of his mouth has the words "my plan" in it. However, he hasn't gone into any details whatsofuckingever.
Even my wife, who grew up in a union household, and who doesn't really give a shit about politics said to me during this debate, "When is he going to give any details about this plan he keeps talking about?"
Its hilarious, everytime he talks, he rips what Bush has or hasn't done says he has a plan and then states that he hopes he can talk about it. He hasn't yet.
Bush, on the other hand, is literally getting pissed. You can see it in his mannerisms and how quickly he's jumping out of his chair to respond to Kerry.
Bush can't win this debate. He's trying to talk issues and Kerry is just talking rhetoric and promises.
And I still don't care what anyone says, Kerry just comes off as a lawyer while Bush, stuttering and all comes off as sincere.
I mean, how can a billionaire who uses loopholes to pay less in taxes than the millionaire sitting next to him say to the average American that he cares about them and the country?
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Debate 2 Impressions
I would believe Kerry more if he would admit that Bush did something, hell anything, right while in office.
Clinton did it for Bush Sr. W just did it refering to Clinton. Kerry is just using Spin 101 to get elected. "Bash every move your opponent makes, and ride the fence on any and all issues to appease the most people."
Clinton did it for Bush Sr. W just did it refering to Clinton. Kerry is just using Spin 101 to get elected. "Bash every move your opponent makes, and ride the fence on any and all issues to appease the most people."
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
Kerry just said, "I'm not going to vote for parental approval for abortions which forces a girl to go tell her father that raped her that she's getting an abortion."
First of all, what a sickie.
Secondly, and this is the problem I have with the liberal viewpoint, yes there are cases when people are affected by laws that shouldn't be. However, when these people are the exception then we shouldn't stop the laws from passing.
Most under 18 girls going to get an abortion aren't doing so because they don't want to have their father's baby.
A wise man once said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
First of all, what a sickie.
Secondly, and this is the problem I have with the liberal viewpoint, yes there are cases when people are affected by laws that shouldn't be. However, when these people are the exception then we shouldn't stop the laws from passing.
Most under 18 girls going to get an abortion aren't doing so because they don't want to have their father's baby.
A wise man once said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one."
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
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Mommy Dearest
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ever feel like you are talking to yourself?
Its more like thinking out loud. You'll find its common when talking about something occuring in real time. In fact, if you go look at the Veep Debate chain, you'll see your son did it there.
Consider it a running post that the writer wasn't finished with.
Its only a problem when the writer starts responding back to him or herself with a different opinion...
Isn't it already illegal for a father to rape his daughter?
Ask Kerry.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
No. Well, maybe. It was his example, not mine.
Essentially, abortion came up and Kerry said he voted against requiring kids (girls under 18) to get their parents' permission to have an abortion. His example of why he voted against it was so that a girl who got raped by her father wouldn't have to ask that same father for permission to get an abortion.
Ask him where that example comes from.
BTW, the wise man quote was for geeks like you.
So far, I'm hearing Kerry was impressive in his lawyer qualities, Bush impressed people by showing up to play and showing passion, but neither side had a "winner". However, it was suggested that Kerry is going to be hit post debate this time like Bush was last time. Apparently, he made a lot of slipups on his stances and his record was exposed a lot more.
To me, it seemed like Kerry was doing well early and then fell apart towards the end, while Bush struggled out of the gate and finished strong. Basically, the opposite of the last debate.
I'd say it was a draw, but since Kerry "won" last time and performed like Bush this time, while Bush performed like Kerry did last time, then Bush won. You know, if the media is to be believed in their madness.
Essentially, abortion came up and Kerry said he voted against requiring kids (girls under 18) to get their parents' permission to have an abortion. His example of why he voted against it was so that a girl who got raped by her father wouldn't have to ask that same father for permission to get an abortion.
Ask him where that example comes from.
BTW, the wise man quote was for geeks like you.
So far, I'm hearing Kerry was impressive in his lawyer qualities, Bush impressed people by showing up to play and showing passion, but neither side had a "winner". However, it was suggested that Kerry is going to be hit post debate this time like Bush was last time. Apparently, he made a lot of slipups on his stances and his record was exposed a lot more.
To me, it seemed like Kerry was doing well early and then fell apart towards the end, while Bush struggled out of the gate and finished strong. Basically, the opposite of the last debate.
I'd say it was a draw, but since Kerry "won" last time and performed like Bush this time, while Bush performed like Kerry did last time, then Bush won. You know, if the media is to be believed in their madness.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
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Well, to be fair, don't they only have a couple of minutes?Leisher wrote:Its hilarious, everytime he talks, he rips what Bush has or hasn't done says he has a plan and then states that he hopes he can talk about it. He hasn't yet.
Gordon:
From what you said, it sounded like Kerry implied that a vote for Bush is a vote for Daddy/Daughter rape.
Ask Cameron Diaz
Most of the Hollywood people have no clue what the issues are for real people. They only flow along with whatever they think is "in". Currently, its "in" to support the Dems. I remember in the late 80s/early 90s when it was "in" to be a Republican in Hollyood.
If you are a voter and you get your voting advice from Hollywood celebrities, you're a fucking moron and shouldn't have the right to vote.
Sorry if that's harsh, but its the truth. Nobody on the planet has less of a grasp of reality than Hollywood.
If you are a voter and you get your voting advice from Hollywood celebrities, you're a fucking moron and shouldn't have the right to vote.
Sorry if that's harsh, but its the truth. Nobody on the planet has less of a grasp of reality than Hollywood.
“Every record been destroyed or falsified, books rewritten, pictures repainted, statues, street building renamed, every date altered. The process is continuing day by day. History stops. Nothing exists except endless present in which the Party is right.”
However, he hasn't gone into any details whatsofuckingever.
Everytime I hear him say it he says that you can get more details on his website.
Kerry's Plan
I'll let someone else read through that and summarize it, because I don't really care enough.
I do have to wonder: if Kerry's plans waffle as much as he does, then can he really do that much harm? Wouldn't all his policies sort of just ... cancel out? Accomplish nothing?
I can live with that.
I do have to wonder: if Kerry's plans waffle as much as he does, then can he really do that much harm? Wouldn't all his policies sort of just ... cancel out? Accomplish nothing?
I can live with that.
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Problem is, I don't believe any of it. I've seen what Bush wants and what he does through his actions. I've seen what Kerry wants and what he does through his actions. So far, I think Bush is more reliable. Kerry can talk about his plan all he wants. I just think back to when Clinton said he's have health care in the first 100 days. People say whatever they can to get a vote. I know Bush did too not so many years ago. However, I've seen him accomplish alot in the last four years as well. I'm not impressed with the claim that Bush cost jobs. I still blame the Internet (thanks Al) for that. The bubble burst and people lost their jobs. Then the largest attack on America in 60 years happened, which cost more jobs. Give me a break. He did that, right? The fact that the recession was the shortest in history (G. W. said so!!) impresses me.
I dunno. Kerry has good ideas and all. . . but I'm surprised he doesn't have 'impliment world peace' in there. Well, maybe it is, I didn't read it all! But based on some of the stuff I read, world peace is just as possible.
I dunno. Kerry has good ideas and all. . . but I'm surprised he doesn't have 'impliment world peace' in there. Well, maybe it is, I didn't read it all! But based on some of the stuff I read, world peace is just as possible.
I summarized a bit of it a few months ago here on DTMan.TPRJones wrote:I'll let someone else read through that and summarize it, because I don't really care enough.
I do have to wonder: if Kerry's plans waffle as much as he does, then can he really do that much harm? Wouldn't all his policies sort of just ... cancel out? Accomplish nothing?
I can live with that.
He's reclassifying some stuff that already exists, vague where he talks about important things, and only has details for minor stuff.
It's not me, it's someone else.
Security through incompetance?TheCatt wrote:TPRJones wrote:I'll let someone else read through that and summarize it, because I don't really care enough.
I do have to wonder: if Kerry's plans waffle as much as he does, then can he really do that much harm? Wouldn't all his policies sort of just ... cancel out? Accomplish nothing?
I can live with that.
I summarized a bit of it a few months ago here on DTMan.
He's reclassifying some stuff that already exists, vague where he talks about important things, and only has details for minor stuff.
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Problem is, what happens when a decisive action is necessary. What if they discover Osama's hideout, but he moves in 3 hours. Does Kerry have the balls to say, send in the Rangers or bomb him so nobody other than terrorists get hurt? I don't think so, he'll go ask the UN for guidance and before he gets the first call answered by the UN security council, Osama's gone and we're back to where we started.TPRJones wrote:I'll let someone else read through that and summarize it, because I don't really care enough.
I do have to wonder: if Kerry's plans waffle as much as he does, then can he really do that much harm? Wouldn't all his policies sort of just ... cancel out? Accomplish nothing?
I can live with that.
Indecisiveness was ok back in Carter's day, we wouldn't get killed for it, but today, with terrorism on the rise, any show of faltering strength will be an open door for more.