Indiana's freedom of religious discrimination

Post by **TPRJones** » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:22 pm

GORDON wrote:Good because I have many strong and complicated feelings for you.

I love you, too.

Post by **Vince** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:35 am

TheCatt wrote:
Vince wrote:No more than The Last Supper was just another mural for Da Vinci.
Umm... I think you over-corrected, there.

As someone that has done art work (nothing of grand scale of particularly awesome aesthetic pieces) it's really impossible to gauge how an artist will feel about any particular piece. For all we know, The Last Supper was just another mural for him.

Michelangelo didn't want to do the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel because he considered himself a sculptor rather than a painter. When he did finally paint it, he did nothing that they wanted. The Pope was rather pissed off because all the scenes represented where Old Testament. When he first finished, there wasn't a single depiction of Jesus up there. Not sure if he went back and added some.

Post by **Vince** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 6:38 am

TPRJones wrote:Nah, just busy at work.

You won't run me off, you'll have to ban me out of annoyance and frustration one day. :p

I would miss you as well. You're one of the good ones where if I don't let my emotions get the better of me, I can have a good debate and learn where the other side on some issues is coming from.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:46 am

For all we know, The Last Supper was just another mural for him.

Uh, no way. Based on the sheer size of the piece and the pains in the ass he went to in order to work with that particular medium, he obviously invested a great deal of himself into it.

Michelangelo didn't want to do the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel because he considered himself a sculptor rather than a painter. When he did finally paint it, he did nothing that they wanted. The Pope was rather pissed off because all the scenes represented where Old Testament.

Mikey was the quintessential "artiste." Pissing him off or offending his artistic sensibilities required as much effort as seeing tits during Mardi Gras. The pope at the time (as with most times) was a power-hungry control freak not used to disagreement, let alone impudence.

Edited By Malcolm on 1430405384

Post by **Vince** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:13 am

Malcolm wrote:
For all we know, The Last Supper was just another mural for him.
Uh, no way. Based on the sheer size of the piece and the pains in the ass he went to in order to work with that particular medium, he obviously invested a great deal of himself into it.

I saw an article in National Geographic probably 3 decades ago where they were restoring the painting. They had a shot of it from the end of the hallway it's in. It was mind boggling that from that perspective the ceiling of the hallway extended into the painting itself. It was like those weird 3d street paintings they do.

Post by **TPRJones** » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:48 pm

Vince wrote:I would miss you as well. You're one of the good ones where if I don't let my emotions get the better of me, I can have a good debate and learn where the other side on some issues is coming from.

Well, don't take my positions too seriously as an exemplar. On most issues I am far more likely to agree with you than them. Just not this one.

Ultimately I'm an insane contrarian who disagrees with everyone. But at least I have fun doing it.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri May 01, 2015 8:15 pm

gofundme has cut off christian businesses because they like discrimination.

But.... isn't that discrimination?

Oh, it must be the correct kind of discrimination.

http://tinyurl.com/mfgb9s9

Post by **Vince** » Fri May 01, 2015 10:34 pm

I was listening to the long laundry list of problems that the two lesbians in OR listed were a result of their having the Christian bakers refuse to bake them a cake. They said they both started smoking again because of it, they gained weight, they slept too much, they suffered a loss of confidence... on and on. I'm thinking, thank God you're gay because you should NOT be reproducing. And please don't inflict an adopted kid with your special kind of neurotic.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri May 01, 2015 10:39 pm

Ah, fodder for the lawsuit. Very integrity.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Sat May 02, 2015 11:53 am

Kristen Waggoner, the Alliance Defending Freedom attorney representing Arlene’s Flowers, said in an interview Tuesday that GoFundMe’s decision to drop the page, even though Ms. Stutzman has not been charged with a crime, raises questions as to whether GoFundMe is discriminating on the basis of religion.

They'll use the same defense I called out earlier. It's not based on religion, it's based on the amount of traffic or cash they think they'll lose if they don't.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon May 25, 2015 11:07 pm

1. Lesbians go to a jeweler in Canada, ask for custom wedding rings.

2. Jeweler makes them and sells them to the lesbians for the agreed upon price.

3. Lesbians later find out the jeweler doesn't care for gay marriages because he is Catholic.

4. Mob threatens jeweler to refund the price of the rings, "or else," he does, lesbians keep rings.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher....ns-lose

Post by **Vince** » Tue May 26, 2015 6:51 am

I said it before. It's not enough you don't care one way or the other about homosexuals. You now have to celebrate their homosexuality.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue May 26, 2015 7:31 am

Are you sure on point #4? Sounded like the refund decision had been made, but not yet done, and the rings hadn't been kept yet, necessarily.

At any rate, I think the people harassing the jeweler are out of line.

Post by **GORDON** » Tue May 26, 2015 7:33 am

No, not sure about #4, saw the commentary and then drilled down to the original news article.

Post by **Vince** » Tue May 26, 2015 7:39 am

TheCatt wrote:Are you sure on point #4? Sounded like the refund decision had been made, but not yet done, and the rings hadn't been kept yet, necessarily.

At any rate, I think the people harassing the jeweler are out of line.

Since they are custom rings, it's almost the same as far as the jeweler is concerned. They whole reason for a deposit on a custom job is because if they don't follow through and buy them, they've screwed the jeweler out of money. ESPECIALLY with a set of homosexual rings.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue May 26, 2015 9:23 am

Vince wrote:
TheCatt wrote:Are you sure on point #4? Sounded like the refund decision had been made, but not yet done, and the rings hadn't been kept yet, necessarily.

At any rate, I think the people harassing the jeweler are out of line.
Since they are custom rings, it's almost the same as far as the jeweler is concerned. They whole reason for a deposit on a custom job is because if they don't follow through and buy them, they've screwed the jeweler out of money. ESPECIALLY with a set of homosexual rings.

Agreed, poor form on the clients.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » Tue May 26, 2015 11:12 am

Canada has, and always will, suck.

Post by **TPRJones** » Tue May 26, 2015 2:50 pm

Yeah, this is some bullshit right here. But one thing I have to comment on:

ESPECIALLY with a set of homosexual rings.

I don't think rings can have a sexual orientation. Or are they tainted because the homos touched them?

Post by **GORDON** » Tue May 26, 2015 2:53 pm

Someone once publicly corrected me when I said, "Gay marriage" with, "There is only marriage not gay or straight marriage."

Then I unfriended her on facebook and it took her a couple years to figure it out.

Maybe the rings were inscribed, "Lesbo love forever" inside the band.

Edited By GORDON on 1432666460

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue May 26, 2015 5:11 pm

TPRJones wrote:
ESPECIALLY with a set of homosexual rings.
I don't think rings can have a sexual orientation. Or are they tainted because the homos touched them?

I think Vince's point is that homosexuals are about ~2% of the population. As such, they are about 2% of the wedding market. Since they were a PAIR of engagement rings, I'd say that's pretty constraining to the traditional lesbian market.