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Driving stoned is absolutely much safer than driving drunk. I am 100% certain that studies would back that up completely.

The accident rate will be lower, but the biggest difference will be in injuries and damage sustained which will be tiny in comparison. Because the average stoned driver is going 20mph or more below the speed limit when they run into something.




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Driving stoned is absolutely much safer than driving drunk. I am 100% certain that studies would back that up completely.

A fair study, sure.
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Since Lamar Odom nearly generic viagra'd himself to death, there's been more and more uproar about supplements. 25K hospital ER visits per year are due to those. There are 150M supplement users in the country and cost about 1/3 of what prescription drugs cost OOP. They are 100% unregulated.

Here's a dude who says binge drinking costs us a quarter trillion dollars per year, and that's a conservative guess.
The researchers based the 2010 cost estimates on changes in the occurrence of alcohol-related problems and the cost of paying for them since 2006. Still, they said they believe the report underestimates the cost of excessive drinking since information on alcohol use is often underreported or unavailable, and other costs, such as pain and suffering due to harms from excessive drinking, were not included.


All that shit's legal while bud (in the vast majority of places), LSD, psilocybin, X, are all illegal as hell.
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Booze industry advertising affects underage drinkers. Damn, it's almost like they're being targeted.
However, a representative of the Distilled Spirits Council, an industry group, took issue with the findings.

"According to the federal data, underage drinking is at historic lows, yet advertising and marketing are at all-time highs. This real-world data further supports the overwhelming body of research concluding that advertising does not cause someone to begin drinking alcohol or to drink more," said Lisa Hawkins, the group's vice president.

Then, I guess you'll stop advertising? You know, since it doesn't make a difference.
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Malcolm wrote:Booze industry advertising affects underage drinkers. Damn, it's almost like they're being targeted.
However, a representative of the Distilled Spirits Council, an industry group, took issue with the findings.

"According to the federal data, underage drinking is at historic lows, yet advertising and marketing are at all-time highs. This real-world data further supports the overwhelming body of research concluding that advertising does not cause someone to begin drinking alcohol or to drink more," said Lisa Hawkins, the group's vice president.
Then, I guess you'll stop advertising? You know, since it doesn't make a difference.
You're ignoring what constitutes the drinking. Ie. Lisa's argument is that Bob is going to drink 100 beers regardless of advertising. BUT advertising could shift Bob to drink 75 Coors and 25 Buds, instead of 100 Millers.
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Lisa's an idiot if she thinks the world of advertising is that finely tuned.
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Leaked UN doc calls for worldwide decriminalization of all drug use.
The document calls to decriminalize drug use and possession for personal use. It lists drug-related deaths, discrimination, social exclusion, violence, and incarceration as some of the negative effects of treating personal drug use as a criminal offense.
Both the BBC and Branson suggest that the paper was withdrawn from the conference under pressure from at least one national government.

Naturally, all the fucking lying, asshole pigs who make their living and get their dicks hard from tossing non-violent offenders in jail will be against this. If they want to continue such idiocy, then they can foot 100% of the bill from now on.
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58% of US citizens think bud should be legal. No word what the assholes at the DEA think.

Bud use has doubled.
The research, by scientists from the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, also showed that three out of every 10 Americans who used marijuana in the past year were classified as having a marijuana use disorder, meaning abuse or dependence on the drug, which adds up to about 6.8 million Americans.

It's bullshit like this I have an issue with. A use disorder? That's implying there's an orderly, normalized picture of usage and one is deviating from it. And dependence? You're fucking insane. THC withdrawal isn't a thing.

Legalization also tends to change perceptions about risks associated with using the substance, Mooney said. "A greater number of people view marijuana as less risky. There are less perceived harms. I think we are tasked with really educating the public and our patients about the potential risks and harms associated with marijuana use. It's not without risk or potential harm," she said.

Says some professor of psych. Walking out of your fucking door in the morning isn't without risk or potential harm, either. I seriously dare you to tell me how it's worse than booze and tobacco, especially if I can pick the method of consumption. Negative consequences strictly because of smoking combustible organic matter doesn't count.

Hell, let's just go down the list:

1) Caffeine ... the FDA issued warnings to bulk sellers of powder and pills due an OD or two

2) Tobacco ... the FDA issued warnings to sellers of liquid nicotine due to an OD or two

3) Bud ... zero ODs in the history of mankind




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DEA still the most stubborn, backwards, shit-eating motherfuckers on this planet outside of Malaysia and Indonesia when it comes to drugs.

In brief:

- cops admit they don't give a fucking fuck about weed and it's not a problem worth policing (although their actions lead me to believe otherwise)
Despite all shift in thinking, arrests for marijuana possession continue unabated. cops keep arresting people for marijuana possession. This might be a simple question of low-hanging fruit: marijuana is by far the most widely-used illegal drug, and more users means more potential arrestees. But these arrests have serious consequences for the people caught up in them, and they divert precious police time and resources away from more serious crimes, like rape and murder.

Beyond that, the Department of Justice has continued to aggressively prosecute marijuana cases even in places where some use of the plant is legal, like California. This led to a federal judge giving a scathing rebuke to the Department last month, accusing it of openly defying congressional efforts to put an end to these raids.

The DEA also continues to pump millions of dollars into its endless campaign to "eradicate" marijuana plants in the U.S., funding expensive weeding operations that spend, in some cases, $60 or more to uproot a single plant.


Oh well, at least this unnecessary and financially insolvent prohibition isn't causing problems like farmers dropping illegal poison in their bud fields due to the wholly unregulated nature of the industry.




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Today's a perfect illustration of how those with the power to regulate drugs are somehow always the people with the fewest clues about how to do so.

Aussie anti-bud ad. Its target audience is unable to tell if it's a real PSA or a riff.
if anything #stonersloth seems more like a parody than a campaign tryna stop people from 420 blazing
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Can't decide if this is the worst or greatest anti-marijuana ad campaign ever. #StonerSloth Where can I get one?


Then again, maybe Australia has all the other drugs except marijuana sussed out.
Nearly four Australians die every day from overdose. Overdoses out-numbered road fatalities in Australia in 2012. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics overdose deaths totalled 1,427 in 2012, while road deaths, which have been steadily declining, ended the year at 1,338.

Guess not.

On the other side of the world of morons, we have 47K OD deaths in 2014 in the US alone.
The leading cause of overdose deaths was heroin and opioid pain medications (the latter of which are often cited to be “gateway” drugs for later heroin use), constituting 61%—or 28,647—of the total number of deaths. Since 2000, overdoses from opioids have quadrupled, the report noted.

I'm sure that has nothing to do with the increase in the number of opioid pain medications haphazardly manufactured, tested, approved, and prescribed since 2000. If only we knew of some other type of painkiller, perhaps one that it was physically impossible to OD on and perhaps still on Schedule I, that might be an alternative for otherwise future riders of the H-train.




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The sloth commercials aren't completely off. The only thing that's weird about them to me is the high level of contempt the other characters in them display. In a normal world they'd probably have at most mild annoyance or frustration.
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I'll take Stoned Sloth over Drunk-Ass Dingo any day of the week. The sloth isn't going to be hungover the next day. He might be down a bag of Cheetos, but that's a hell of a trade. There's also a reason you hear about drunken fights, but not usually stoned ones.

The more I think about it, the more the sloth thing isn't doing it for me. If you've ever been nauseous, a toke or two would probably make you feel better. It also makes it easier to put up with the assholes at the gym who are "using" four pieces of equipment at once by slowly power-setting through them.




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There's also a reason you hear about drunken fights, but not usually stoned ones.

I saw a stoned fistfight once. It was hilarious.

Although that might have been because I was stoned, too.




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You can break them up for cheap with candy bars.
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Really?
There are "incredibly potent" marijuana products in Colorado with 90 percent THC, according to Lewis, who compared that to 2 percent for a traditional joint. "You don't even find products with 2 percent anymore," he said, adding there are "big questions" associated with higher potency marijuana regarding addiction and public health.

Uh, what? First off, 90% is a concentration you only get in labs or with a bit of chemical processing. The highest yield female plants will net you product with about 25-30%. Forty or fifty years ago, a third of that would've been top shelf. If you want the mythical 90% the senator's talking about, then you're dealing in hash oil. That will kill you at concentrations of 30 mg/kg.

While warning about the potency of marijuana products, Lewis was not speaking from firsthand experience - he said he did not try any marijuana products while in Colorado. "We didn't think that was necessary as part of our research," he said.

I guess you're a dipshit then.

Here's someone more sane.
pharmaceutical companies, those drugs and all that, have killed tens of thousands of people — overdoses and all that — every single year and we’ve never had an overdose on marijuana

The reason being that medical bud is generally deprived of THC in favour of CBD. LD50 rate for CBD: FIFTY goddamn mL per kilo.
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Jim McMahon used to be a pill popper until a substance with no medicinal value helped him get off the habit.
"They were doing more harm than good," he said per Robert McCoppin of the Chicago Tribune. "This medical marijuana has been a godsend. It relieves me of the pain — or thinking about it, anyway."
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And despite being legal in Arizona, Colorado and California, it is not recommended for medical use by the American Medical Association.
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More prescription drug abuse.
In adults between the ages of 18 and 25, however, nonmedical use of dextroamphetamine-amphetamine increased by 67.1 percent and ER visits went up by 155.9 percent. Treatment visits for the drug, however, remained about the same.

Among both age groups, the source for Adderall for nonmedical use was family and friends, two-thirds of which had legitimate prescriptions from a doctor.

Adderall has effects a bit like speed, jr., particularly when it's crushed and insufflated.
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FDA raked for not thinking of this sooner.
"The FDA is part of the opioid problem and America is depending on it to be part of the solution," Markey said at a Washington press conference Monday. "We need the leader of the FDA to be a tough cop on the beat, not a rubber stamp approving the latest Big Pharma painkillers."
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Since then, the FDA has approved three new painkillers without consulting advisory committees at all. Approving drugs without public hearings and consultation from outside specialists allows the FDA to make critical decisions in the dark, said Andrew Kolodny, executive director of Physicians for Responsible Opioid Prescribing.

But remember, it's the street pushers who are the problem. Especially the minority ones in urban areas.
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Ithaca mayor not a dumb-ass.
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Weed before and after workouts.
Gordy Megroz, a correspondent for Outside magazine, decided to perform his own study on whether or not smoking marijuana could make you a better athlete. Megroz used a treadmill to conduct his experiment.

He found that he performed better while high on the treadmill than when sober. The correspondent also found that he was less sore after an intense session of squats, indicating that weed may have some substantial recovery effects.

"I do a heavy squat session while high, which would normally leave me sore for two days, but I'm surprisingly fresh 24 hours later," Megroz wrote for Outside. "Even when not stoned, other aches and pains seem to dissipate, too. Humphreys says studies have shown that the drug has an anti-inflammatory effect, which is one reason why medical marijuana is so prevalent."

If he actually has better aerobic performance, I'd be a bit surprised.
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