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Postby GORDON » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:37 am

College environment for males is becoming increasingly hostile.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/197447/

Kangaroo courts. Why would anyone send a kid — especially a son — to institutions that would do this? Would you send a black kid to institutions with disciplinary manuals written by the KKK?
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Postby Leisher » Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:01 pm

Stop raising rapists.
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Postby GORDON » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:12 pm

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-de....2556312

“Harvard's policy was written by people who think sexual assault is so heinous a crime that even innocence is not a defense,” Dershowitz said.
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Postby Malcolm » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:34 pm

This began a pattern of the federal government using the issue and student loan money as leverage in order to affect college administrators' behavior.

Would help if an education in this country wasn't fucking obscenely expensive. All the fun of paying off a mortgage without the troublesome burden of a house.
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Postby GORDON » Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:54 am

Malcolm wrote:
This began a pattern of the federal government using the issue and student loan money as leverage in order to affect college administrators' behavior.

Would help if an education in this country wasn't fucking obscenely expensive. All the fun of paying off a mortgage without the troublesome burden of a house.

It's expensive exactly because it is subsidized.
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Postby TPRJones » Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:57 pm

It's expensive because there are twice as many administrators as people actually teaching classes at most colleges these days.
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Postby GORDON » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:08 pm

Which is because it is subsidized.

Businesses charge what their customers can afford. Government-backed student loans mean their customers can afford a lot more than they used to.




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Postby TPRJones » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:08 pm

It's a feedback loop, both reasons are true. And sadly all those administrators are working 50 and 60 hour weeks because the reporting requirements keep piling up. They keep adding new things that must be done but none of the old things are ever taken away.

It's just a mess. Actual teaching and education is getting lost in the mix.
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Postby Malcolm » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:21 pm

Businesses charge what their customers can afford.

Bullshit. Colleges charge way more than your typical teenager can afford. Nor are most colleges or universities run like a real biz.
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Postby GORDON » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:33 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Businesses charge what their customers can afford.

Bullshit. Colleges charge way more than your typical teenager can afford.

..... which is why these students take out loans............ which is why college gets more expensive.....

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And I haven't been able to find a good graph showing student loan debt, but it is pretty much the same curve.

A thing is worth what someone is willing to pay for it... everyone plans on getting that $70k job after they graduate, so it doesn't matter if they take out $15k per year in loans to get that degree. If the money wasn't available, the colleges couldn't increase their cost 3 times more than inflation warrants (or whatever that multiplier was).

And all that extra money means more administrators, and more administrators means more busy work to justify their own existences.

Cut the loans, and watch the colleges get back to basics.
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Postby GORDON » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:36 pm

BUT ANYWAY.......

Sure sucks to be a male in a college environment, eh?
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Postby TPRJones » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:42 pm

GORDON wrote:Cut the loans, and watch the colleges <s>get back to basics</s> go bankrupt and shut down.

Fixed.

The problem is the new busywork is mostly required by state regulations. Take away the money to pay for it and it still has to be done if the college is to remain open legally. It takes at least five years for states to adjust to changes like that, and by then there won't be any colleges left open.

Which would be fine by me, honestly. The whole thing is too much of a mess to fix. You just can't get there from here.

BUT ANYWAY...
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Postby Malcolm » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:48 pm

The problem is the new busywork is mostly required by state regulations.

I taught at a place while they were renewing their accreditation. It's a fucking joke.
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Postby GORDON » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:55 pm

TPRJones wrote:
GORDON wrote:Cut the loans, and watch the colleges <s>get back to basics</s> go bankrupt and shut down.

Fixed.

Are you suggesting there were no colleges before the advent of government-backed student loans?
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Postby TPRJones » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:33 pm

No, I'm saying that if you think taking away the loans - and thus the money - will mean they let go of all the extra admins they can no longer pay for then you don't know anything about how government bureaucracy works.

The rest of the post you quoted is relevant to that point.




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Postby GORDON » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:27 pm

I can't gather enough... care... to think we need to keep shoveling mountains of debt on college graduates because the government rules require an army of administrators at the schools. Fix it all.

Loans are nice because otherwise only rich kids can afford college, but college tuition increases should have been controlled when the loans were put into effect.
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Postby TPRJones » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:33 pm

I don't think we need to shovel money at it anymore either. It's monumentally broken. And it's not the college grads that have massive debt that are the real problem, it's the five times as many college dropouts with massive debt and rotten job prospects that are going to completely wreck our economy in the long run. In no way am I saying to maintain what we are doing.

But to change it smoothly you have to start the transition with the part where you cut back tremendously on government-mandated bullshit that required the hiring of all those admins before you take away the money to pay for it. If you take away the money first instead, you'll essentially be shutting down the entire system. Unless you think you can get 50 state legislative bodies to actually do some sane legislating in a timely manner?

Personally I think the whole thing collapsing under it's own weight would probably be the best thing in the long run. Burn it all down and build an entirely new system from scratch.




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Postby GORDON » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:20 pm

Agreed. And also don't be a male on campus getting accused of rape.
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Postby TPRJones » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:24 pm

Perhaps just being gay for four years would solve that problem. Then one would be a member of a protected class and immune from such accusations.

I've heard being gay is a choice, after all.
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Postby GORDON » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:55 pm

Hmm. Since there is no defense from a rape accusation, is being gay a defense? I thin it is the ownership of the penis that makes one guilty.
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