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Postby TheCatt » Fri May 31, 2019 2:39 pm

Leisher wrote:Source of the post I'm not, but that's been covered and probably a separate issue from the "is this life/murder" argument.

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Postby GORDON » Fri May 31, 2019 2:52 pm

Incredibly sexist.
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Postby Leisher » Fri May 31, 2019 4:13 pm

GORDON wrote:Source of the post Incredibly sexist.


Yep. If only a man is responsible for pregnancy then only the man should decide what to do with any kid.
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Postby GORDON » Fri May 31, 2019 6:14 pm

And if he has no responsibility,.then he should have no.financial responsibility.
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I spelled out his responsibility in the terms of service...
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Postby GORDON » Fri May 31, 2019 8:47 pm

Telling a man to.keep it.in his pants is equally as valid as telling a single woman to keep her legs shut.

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Postby Leisher » Fri May 31, 2019 10:24 pm

GORDON wrote:Source of the post Telling a man to.keep it.in his pants is equally as valid as telling a single woman to keep her legs shut.


Indeed.

Additionally, if you're the one who ultimately gets to decide if something lives or dies based on your mood, then maybe you should take birth control more seriously?

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GORDON wrote:Source of the post Telling a man to.keep it.in his pants is equally as valid as telling a single woman to keep her legs shut.

Dare you.

If she doesn’t want to make those decisions, she should keep her legs shut
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Postby GORDON » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:12 am

Tough decision, deciding on whether or not to make a choice someone else has to pay for.
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GORDON wrote:Source of the post Tough decision, deciding on whether or not to make a choice someone else has to pay for.

Both people pay.
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Postby Vince » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:37 pm

Leisher wrote:[
Additionally, if you're the one who ultimately gets to decide if something lives or dies based on your mood, then maybe you should take birth control more seriously?

Equality!

This is the reason I really don't trust Planned Parenthood as an honest broker in these discussions. If they really pushed the morning after pill as their primary and preferred method of dealing with an (possible) unwanted pregnancy, it'd be a lot tougher on the pro-life side of the argument. How many lives will that be taking? And LOT of people that consider themselves pro-life wouldn't even argue that the day after conception you can consider it a life. How many babies would that be? Who knows. The woman taking the pill doesn't even know if she's pregnant.

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Vince wrote:Source of the post If they really pushed the morning after pill as their primary and preferred method of dealing with an (possible) unwanted pregnancy, it'd be a lot tougher on the pro-life side of the argument. How many lives will that be taking? And LOT of people that consider themselves pro-life wouldn't even argue that the day after conception you can consider it a life. How many babies would that be? Who knows. The woman taking the pill doesn't even know if she's pregnant.

The challenge with "emergency contraception" is that it's only between 50 and 75% effective. So that's still a fair number of unwanted pregnancies. Whereas abortion has a much higher success rate.
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Postby Vince » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:40 pm

TheCatt wrote:Source of the post
Vince wrote:Source of the post If they really pushed the morning after pill as their primary and preferred method of dealing with an (possible) unwanted pregnancy, it'd be a lot tougher on the pro-life side of the argument. How many lives will that be taking? And LOT of people that consider themselves pro-life wouldn't even argue that the day after conception you can consider it a life. How many babies would that be? Who knows. The woman taking the pill doesn't even know if she's pregnant.

The challenge with "emergency contraception" is that it's only between 50 and 75% effective. So that's still a fair number of unwanted pregnancies. Whereas abortion has a much higher success rate.

I was just checking the stats before I posted that. The stat I saw was if used within 24 hrs, they said it was 95% effective. 89% if used within 72 hrs. Oral contraceptives showed a 7% failure, which is also the BC method PP promotes.

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Vince wrote:Source of the post I was just checking the stats before I posted that. The stat I saw was if used within 24 hrs, they said it was 95% effective. 89% if used within 72 hrs. Oral contraceptives showed a 7% failure, which is also the BC method PP promotes.

Ah, the data I was looking at was for up 120 hours.
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Postby Vince » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:00 pm

TheCatt wrote:Ah, the data I was looking at was for up 120 hours.

Okay, then that explains it. That's not a good use of the drug, to be honest. Horrible bleeding and pain when used further along in the pregnancy. Used as intended (they call it "the morning after" pill for a reason), it's more effective with a lot fewer side effects.

And as I was saying, if PP went that route (the old "safe, legal and rare") instead of pushing for elective 3rd trimester abortions, they could capture a lot more of the people in the middle.

The problem with them is the same as almost every special interest group. Including the National Right to Life foundation. It's become about the money. That's why the right to life groups end up supporting the 20 week ban over the heartbeat bans. Heartbeat bans cuts their funding in that state.

I've come to believe that the Republican party doesn't really want to get Roe overturned anyway. Since Roe, every Republican Presidential candidate that has made abortion a central element of their campaign has carried the Catholic vote. Prior to Roe, they never carried the Catholic vote. No Republican has won the popular vote without carrying the Catholic vote. So you kind of see the problem for the Republicans if Roe were to be overturned.

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Postby TheCatt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:55 pm

https://abc11.com/anti-abortion-group-m ... s/5303214/

Anti-abortion advocate attacked at UNC. Captured on video. That's not productive
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Postby GORDON » Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:57 pm

who cares, it isn't like those anti-abortion nazi monsters are human. animal cruelty, at best
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Postby Vince » Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:55 pm

TheCatt wrote:Source of the post https://abc11.com/anti-abortion-group-m ... s/5303214/

Anti-abortion advocate attacked at UNC. Captured on video. That's not productive

This is the third incident or so this year. The pro-aborts are pretty intolerant.

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Postby Vince » Thu Jun 06, 2019 6:01 am

Hairstylist seen in video kicking pro-life demonstrator is arrested -- and police allege it's not his first attack. This was from last fall in Toronto.

Video Shows 85-Year-Old Protester Being Attacked Outside Planned Parenthood in SF. San Francisco. Luckily the old man's fall was broken by the big pile of human shit on the ground.

Democrat Offered Reward to ‘Dox’ Pro-Life Teens. That one didn't have the desired result. I think the PP there might have asked Simms to stop helping.

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Postby TheCatt » Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:23 am

Vince wrote:Source of the post The pro-aborts are pretty intolerant.

Anit-abortions have sent bombs, shot people, and sent hundreds of fake Anthrax packages, but ok, that compares to mild assault somehow?
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