General Motors

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:16 pm

Going to build electric cars exclusively.

Post by **Leisher** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:39 pm

Paris to ban all but electric vehicles by 2030.

Post by **Vince** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:52 pm

That's a bold plan. I'll be surprised if it happens that soon.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 9:02 pm

Anybody have any idea how high your power bill goes if you have to recharge an electric car from 50% to 100% every night? Wondering about "fuel" savings.

Post by **Vince** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:37 pm

Anybody know how much your cross country vacation radius just got shrunk dramatically?

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:05 pm

I have 70 miles of city commuting every school day. Anything that removes gasoline costs from that is worth looking at.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 11:05 pm

Vince wrote: Anybody know how much your cross country vacation radius just got shrunk dramatically?

The Nissan Leaf gets about 120ish miles per charge.

Post by **Vince** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:09 am

GORDON wrote: Anybody have any idea how high your power bill goes if you have to recharge an electric car from 50% to 100% every night? Wondering about "fuel" savings.

Actually looks like that would be pretty good at current prices. I was seeing it's about 30 kWh to charge your average EV. What demand would do to price though? Hard to know right now. I'm curious as to how many electric grids are up to the task of charging all those cars every day? The more I think about the logistics of this, the less convinced I am that this will happen in the time frame they're hoping for.

Post by **Vince** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 9:16 am

GORDON wrote:
Vince wrote: Anybody know how much your cross country vacation radius just got shrunk dramatically?
The Nissan Leaf gets about 120ish miles per charge.

I know the cold weather knocks this by about 25-30%. Hot weather also dings this some (though not as much).

Post by **GORDON** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 11:46 am

I am going to try to find a used one, if it costs less than 200 a.month, that's almost what I spend on gas in my truck.

Post by **Vince** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:58 am

GORDON wrote: I am going to try to find a used one, if it costs less than 200 a.month, that's almost what I spend on gas in my truck.

I'd do a lot of research on the battery life. That's the biggest thing I saw when looking up their charge time for batteries was how expensive it is to replace the batteries once they hit the end of their lives.

Post by **GORDON** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:03 am

I've heard that if you get a certified used car from Nissan, the warranty is 10 years/100k miles. I would have to make sure that applies to batteries.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:21 am

Yeah, that'd be the big bug-a-boo for me if I were looking into them.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:12 am

I keep wondering why I see these $30k cars selling for $14k when they are two years old with 20k miles on them. This may be the reason

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:41 am

Electricity much cheaper than gas. I did the math back when I bought my electric mower. That being said, the savings are rarely significant enough for most people. But looks like you do a shitload more driving than most people.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:28 pm

GORDON wrote: I keep wondering why I see these $30k cars selling for $14k when they are two years old with 20k miles on them. This may be the reason

Also, I don't think you get the tax credit for a used one. May be wrong on that, though.

Post by **TheCatt** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:22 pm

Vince wrote:
GORDON wrote: I keep wondering why I see these $30k cars selling for $14k when they are two years old with 20k miles on them. This may be the reason
Also, I don't think you get the tax credit for a used one. May be wrong on that, though.

Correct. Those $30k people got the $7.5k tax credit, so it was really $22.5k for them.

Post by **GORDON** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:22 pm

Ahhhhhhh.

Post by **Leisher** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 11:11 pm

Watch the battery issues though. That's been the big negative I've heard about them too.

Also, I believe there's legislation that has passed requiring much better gas mileage really soon.

Post by **TheCatt** » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:27 am

And, where we live, you can get an additional $10k back from the local power company (actually funneled through them from Nissan)... so it's like $21k