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Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:32 am

I didn't see this topic (though it was referenced) elsewhere. Figured I'd start a new thread as there will be a lot coming out this week on it.

Nancy shoots an AR15. If you know anything about guns, it's worth the time to read the reporter's original piece. What stood out to me:

Even in semi-automatic mode, it is very simple to squeeze off two dozen rounds before you even know what has happened. In fully automatic mode, it doesn’t take any imagination to see dozens of bodies falling in front of your barrel.

Either completely lying with malice and forethought, or ignorant of what he was shooting entirely. Not sure of what the point is of shooting a gun that you learn nothing about.

Now Michael Moore I won't give the benifiet of the doubt. Not that he isn't ignorant, but he's also intentionally lying.

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby GORDON » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:43 am

Yeah, that shit is dumb and/or evil.

My family have all been sharing this picture on Facebook with something Reagan supposedly said, saying an AK-47 was a machine gun and no one needed one for self defense. I actually went ahead and chimed in for a change saying the AK wasn't a machine gun. No one has argued with me yet.
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Postby Leisher » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:03 am

I'm seeing lots of "celebs" weighing in on assault rifles and how "nobody needs them for self defense" or hunting.

The one thing they NEVER mention is how pro-gun people don't say they want those for hunting or self defense. Such guns are only used for two things: 1. Displays in collections 2. Protecting yourself from an aggressive government trying to take away your rights.

Like the right to own guns.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:00 pm

The 2nd Amendment is the last line of defense for all the other amendments.

I'm seeing the attempt to tie "terror lists" and "no fly lists" to buying a gun. Can we tie these same lists to voting? How can you see if you're on these lists? How do you see about getting off these lists? What is the criteria for landing on these lists? Why do stupid liberals thing the government that was too incompetent to figure out the brothers in Boston were dangerous will be competent enough to determine with any degree of accuracy who should be on these lists? Does anyone think that a President that used the IRS to target political enemies won't weaponize this as well?

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:20 pm

While I'd like to keep guns from mentals by list, it won't be long before "looking at a cop cross-eyed" lands you on it.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:55 pm

Malcolm wrote:While I'd like to keep guns from mentals by list, it won't be long before "looking at a cop cross-eyed" lands you on it.


There has been a big push to get returning vets to admit/claim PTSD. I honestly suspect that's to keep them from getting weapons in the future. If there were to be an uprising against a tyranical government, who is the last group you want to be armed?

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Malcolm » Wed Jun 15, 2016 7:52 pm

Eh, I think it may be because a PTSD diagnosis keeps people from trying to look any closer at unknown conditions acquired while deployed, placates their curiosity, and makes medical costs easier to estimate and budget for. As has been pointed out, fucking ANYONE can get a gun with few enough scruples. Even if the feds were planning for a domestic Red Dawn, they have fucking tanks. You can have an AK-Infinity for all they care.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Alhazad » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:02 pm

Malcolm wrote:Eh, I think it may be because a PTSD diagnosis keeps people from trying to look any closer at unknown conditions acquired while deployed, placates their curiosity, and makes medical costs easier to estimate and budget for. As has been pointed out, fucking ANYONE can get a gun with few enough scruples. Even if the feds were planning for a domestic Red Dawn, they have fucking tanks. You can have an AK-Infinity for all they care.

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:09 am

Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch 7 hours ago
The assault weapons ban renders a rifle assaulty if it has a pipe bomb launcher, death ray, and is black. These 3 make it totes illegal.


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Postby TPRJones » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:39 pm

Vince wrote: How can you see if you're on these lists? How do you see about getting off these lists? What is the criteria for landing on these lists?

I am (or at least was, haven't checked in years) on a no fly list. I found out because I couldn't fly. Turns out there's a terrorist named James Jones out there in the world somewhere. They didn't have further information at the time so they put everyone with that name on the list and none of us could fly. From what I gather it takes lots of lawyer time to get off of the list (I was quoted $3000), and then once you are off you can be put right back on next time someone with some name similar to your own commits an act of terror.

There is no due process here. This is not legal. But it is how the government works.

Or at leas how it did work in the few years after 9/11. As I said, I haven't checked in years.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Leisher » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:41 pm

Just a random statement about all this gun control stuff...

Banning assault weapons at this point in response to some of these mass shootings is like taking a cough drop because you just found out you have AIDS.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby GORDON » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:48 pm

More like taking a cough drop because you found out someone else had aids.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Leisher » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:17 pm

I'm pondering your alteration.

I may or may not use it when I post this quote to FB later.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:41 pm

I am getting so sick of the "you can't yell fire in a theater" argument. You're right. You can't. You know what happens if you do? They file charges against you. They don't remove everyone else's voice box because someone yelled "fire" in a theater and they don't want it happening again. Saying you can't yell "fire" in a theater is not infringing on your right to free speech. It's prohibiting your abusing the right of free speech. Just like you can't brandish a gun in a threatening manner.

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Malcolm » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:10 pm

Trump goes against NRA.
Donald Trump last week took the unorthodox step of pledging to challenge the National Rifle Association to build support for congressional action.

Fortunately, his spineless, waffling ass is not involved in the legislating process in this country.

Republicans argue Feinstein’s bill doesn’t do enough to protect against situations where someone mistakenly on a terror watch list, or mistakenly suspected of links to terror groups, would be denied their Second Amendment rights.

“That proposal doesn’t protect our constitutional rights,” Cornyn argued on the floor last week.

But Democrats maintain the time limitations in Cornyn’s alternative would make it functionally impossible to actually prevent suspicious individuals from purchasing firearms.

“It’s a way for them to say they’re doing something when they are doing nothing,” said Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.), who last week also derided the Cornyn proposal as “intended to never deny a gun, or almost never, even to a terrorist.”

I find it hilarious that the Democrats pull the same "we're not technically making it illegal" bullshit tactics for guns that the pachyderms use on abortion. It almost makes me believe in a higher power with a sense of humour. Almost.

Supreme Court upholds assault weapons ban. Between this and the "cops can fuck up initially stopping and searching you" decision in the past couple days, this pack of judicial fucktards is back to doing what they do best -- shoving a large gavel up the ass of the American citizen.

Guns bills in the Senate right now.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby TheCatt » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:50 pm

Malcolm wrote:Supreme Court upholds assault weapons ban. Between this and the "cops can fuck up initially stopping and searching you" decision in the past couple days, this pack of judicial fucktards is back to doing what they do best -- shoving a large gavel up the ass of the American citizen.

I don't fault the SC for either decision.
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:10 pm

If only there was something that actually made a weapon an "assault weapon" other than just calling it one.

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:57 pm

Malcolm wrote:I find it hilarious that the Democrats pull the same "we're not technically making it illegal" bullshit tactics for guns that the pachyderms use on abortion. It almost makes me believe in a higher power with a sense of humour.

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Not sure of the merits of comparing the 2nd amendment and guns with the 78th amendment on abortion.

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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Malcolm » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:19 pm

Vince wrote:
Malcolm wrote:I find it hilarious that the Democrats pull the same "we're not technically making it illegal" bullshit tactics for guns that the pachyderms use on abortion. It almost makes me believe in a higher power with a sense of humour.

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Not sure of the merits of comparing the 2nd amendment and guns with the 78th amendment on abortion.

Abortion seems quite 4th amendment. I don't know how much more direct you can be than "secure in their persons."
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Re: Gun Control catch all

Postby Vince » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:48 pm

Malcolm wrote: I don't know how much more direct you can be than "secure in their persons."

I don't think you understand the Queen's English of the day. Though they knew what abortion was at the time (though they used terms like "caused to be still borne"). If that was what they were talking about I'm pretty sure they'd have been a little more clear.


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