Diet and Exercise

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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 9:54 am

Since we don't need to clog the other thread. Here's the deal:

1. Don't do aerobics/running
2. Eat lots of tasty animals
3. Don't eat grains or sugar

First up, the case against cardio. I can drop links on you all day, but this one post has a great list:
Lowered testosterone and HGH levels
For men, aerobics are a form of chemical castration. Low T-levels are associated with lowered libido, depression, anxiety, increased body fat and decreased muscle tissue. This contributes to muscle-wasting and lowers the basal metabolic rate.

If that doesn't convince you, what will?

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Postby TPRJones » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:03 am

Well, two out of three for me!
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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:24 am

Testosterone only decreases when you do cardio for over 60 minutes, sorry.

Too little exercise, drinking, and getting old will decrease it much faster.

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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:40 am

As to diet.

Fiber and Lean Protein.

Eat lots of it.

If you are training your endurance, eat enough carbs keep to keep it in the 40/40/20.

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Postby TheCatt » Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:59 am

2/3 for me as well.

Since my Achilles' healed (mid-October), I've dropped 37 pounds by eating less and moving more. I do 3 hours of high intensity cardio (>150bpm), and 8-10 hours of low intensity (110-120bpm) cardio a week. The high intensity cardio will drop in 3 weeks and go back to 90 minutes a week: 1 long run, the rest intervals. And I'll pick up weights again.

My calorie breakdown is approximately: [I eat 1800 calories a day]
33% fat 600cal/66g
42% carbs 750cal/188g
25% protein 450cal/112g

So carbs are a bit higher than I thought, primarily due to fruit.




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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:20 am

Troy wrote:As to diet.

Fiber and Lean Protein.

Eat lots of it.

If you are training your endurance, eat enough carbs keep to keep it in the 40/40/20.

bullshit, bullshit, and more bullshit.

Eat FAT. Eat fatty meats. Fiber is useless. And don't do endurance training and don't eat the carbs.

Carbs spike your insulin, which is pretty much the root of all metabolic evil. Dump the carbs, dump the cardio, and you'll be healthier AND have more free time.

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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:44 am

Let's just run down what you are doing to your body.

You have successfully managed to give yourself a temporary form of diabetes, congrats, your body cannot store glycogen correctly. You burn fat stores instead of carbs, skipping carbs and causing fun things like organ failure (kidneys) and gout. It does keep you skinny though, no denying that, so it isn't all bad, and there are some good reasons to do it... but not if you are also doing...


Your High-Fat, Low Fiber diet.

Low Fiber is bad enough on its own, allowing for fun things like Constipation, IBS, colon cancer, and polyps. Not to mention that all of those silly fiber rich food also account for a ton of the Minerals and Vitamins you are supposed to get on a daily basis.

But you also don't even worry about eating lean Protein, so you consume fatty protein. Wonderful. When is the last time a doctor looked at your cholesterol? The blood in your cardiovascular system is not only high in cholesterol, but never gets worked out, because you don't have the energy to do it, even if you wanted to. Yada Yada, Con-genitive Heart Failure, Heart Attacks, blah blah blah.


You are doing a diet that is designed to work to lose serious weight, especially someone who is grossly obese, because it totally turns your metabolism on its head. However, by not compensating, and eating correctly, you are destroying your inner organs.

Go to your doctor and have him take a look at your Cardiovascular system, and if I'm wrong, you'll totally change my mind on the subject.




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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:56 pm

You have no clue what you are talking about.

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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:28 pm

thibodeaux wrote:You have no clue what you are talking about.

Says the man arguing that a Sedentary/High Fat/No Carb, diet and exercise plan is the key to good health, and long life.

Feel free to explain to me why this is not the case.


I'll once again point out that you are very close to a very effective "keep me skinny" diet. But even No-Carb, Ketosis diet practicers focus on lean protein, and half of their "specially formatted foods" are supplemented with Fiber.




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Postby TheCatt » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:31 pm

So, what are yall's triglyceride levels out of curiosity?

Mine were 116 last checked (January).
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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 1:45 pm

Troy wrote:Says the man arguing that a Sedentary/High Fat/No Carb, diet and exercise plan is the key to good health, and long life.

Feel free to explain to me why this is not the case.

I didn't say "sedentary," I said dump the cardio endurance.

RTFM, man:
http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/

This is how your body evolved to live.

My triglycerides were 53 in January, down from 203 back when I was, guess what, running 5ks and eating lots of carbs.

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Postby TheCatt » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:09 pm

Well, Troy, Thib's triglycerides rock. So as the son of a cardiologist, I'll approve. :)

Troy may find this guy more amenable to his dietary beliefs.
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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:27 pm

Mark Sisson is definitely The Man. Yeah, Troy, tell that guy he's killing himself.

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Postby Cakedaddy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:48 pm

What's a Triglyceride?

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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:08 pm

Ah, Primal Diet, got it. I just briefly skimmed it before.

You failed to highlight some of the other parts of that diet into the bullet points at the top of this page. Meat, yeah good, but you have to be eating all the other good stuff like Vegetables, Berries, Nuts, etc...

Further, given the very slight amount of research (Let's face it, it's a fad diet, just like any other), I'm willing to bet that ANY diet that forces you to eat lower calories by adopting non processed foods (easier to get full before overeating, lower calorie compression,) will result in a healthier life style.

There is a direct relation between calorie consumed being larger than calories needed and practically every non-genetic medical problem.

I also have trouble basing my diet on incomplete knowledge of what "Hunter-Gatherers" ate, as well as people who rarely lived older than 30.




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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:31 pm

What you still don't get is that it's NOT about the amount of calories. It's about keeping insulin under control. I don't count calories. I have no idea how many calories I consume, and I don't care. I eat when I'm hungry and I stop when I'm full.

And of course, here we go with the "cavemen died at 30." Really? If you don't know what they ate, how do you know how long they lived? What killed them? Disease or trauma (attacks by animals or other people)? Did you know that the anthropological evidence shows that hunter-gatherers were healthier than contemporary, co-located agriculturalists?

Also, why do you think you need vegetables? How were Eskimos and Europeans able to be healthy eating nothing but meat most of the year?

Simply put: most of what people think they know about nutrition is just plain bullshit. It's government-sponsored and approved bullshit, just like the Global Warming bullshit. Which makes it doubly obnoxious.




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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:49 pm

So your immediate response is " We know nothing about caveman life styles, diets or health" and yet in the same breath proclaim that a diet based on what we don't know is ideal.

@ Inuits: Fish liver, seaweed, whale skin, and seal brain. If you actually eat those things, then yeah, I guess you do getting those important vitamins. Cold water fish are the shit. But I wonder what all those other non-Artic hunter-gatherers did.




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Postby thibodeaux » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:59 pm

Troy wrote:So your immediate response is " We know nothing about caveman life styles, diets or health" and yet in the same breath proclaim that a diet based on what we don't know is ideal.

No, dumbass, that's what YOU said. I'm saying we DO know what non-agricultural people ate (and in some places still eat), and we DO know that they were healthier than agricultural people.

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Postby Troy » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:27 pm

thibodeaux wrote:
Troy wrote:So your immediate response is " We know nothing about caveman life styles, diets or health" and yet in the same breath proclaim that a diet based on what we don't know is ideal.

No, dumbass, that's what YOU said. I'm saying we DO know what non-agricultural people ate (and in some places still eat), and we DO know that they were healthier than agricultural people.

Oops, I read that too fast. I thought you were actually saying that.... Anyway.... Our fossil records tell us where the early Hunter Gatherer's lived in a myriad of environments, spreading all over the globe.

We know that they supplemented their game with whatever was available to fill their dietary requirements for life. The human body is made to adapt, able to get the nutrients it needs from multiple sources. Since Hunter-Gathers lived in a wide ranging environment(we know this because of the fossil record), we HAVE to assume that they were able to mix and match between multiple varieties of animals, fish, plants, fruit, nuts, dairy and seeds to survive.

The same Vitamin A that the Inuits got from fish oil, some other hunter gatherer got from wild carrots. Both were able to keep up their eyesight. The ones that did not were selected out.

Picking one aspect of the diet, Meat, and being blind to the myriad of other nutrients that they consumed is silly.

A healthy balance is and always will be the key. Fad diets will come, and they will go. 10 years from now maybe we will be back to the all bread diet. Atkins faded pretty fast.

Keeping yourself on a balanced, diet, rich in Vitamins and Minerals is necessary for growth and maintaining a complete body structure. Nothing will ever change that.

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Postby GORDON » Tue Mar 23, 2010 4:30 pm

I've never heard anyone suggest that US Marines, who exercise a lot, have a problem with low testosterone levels.
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