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Edward Snowden: Hero or Traitor

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The reward for the capture and return of Edward Snowden has been set at one billion US dollars

Wut? Wut?
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Your tax dollars at work.
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TheCatt wrote:
The reward for the capture and return of Edward Snowden has been set at one billion US dollars
Wut? Wut?
I can't find any official offering from the gov't for that. In fact, I can't find any mention of it separated from Dog the Bounty Hunter.
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Yeah, that # makes ZERO sense to me. I can't imagine it's real
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Standard reward for FBI's top ten is $100K unless otherwise noted. High man there is currently $1M. For comparison, we offered $25M for Osama.
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Foreign traffic, my ass.
The system has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic in the hunt for foreign intelligence, including a wide array of communications by foreigners and Americans. In some cases, it retains the written content of emails sent between citizens within the U.S. and also filters domestic phone calls made with Internet technology, these people say.
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As another U.S. official puts it, the NSA is "not wallowing willy-nilly" through Americans' idle online chatter. "We want high-grade ore."

To achieve that, the programs use complex algorithms that, in effect, operate like filters placed over a stream with holes designed to let certain pieces of information flow through. After the 2001 terrorist attacks, NSA widened the holes to capture more information when the government broadened its definition of what constitutes "reasonable" collection, according to a former top intelligence official.

Fucking idiots. "We need better info. Let's lower our threshold for relevancy."
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Episode seventeen million of "your government is nothing but a cadre of lying bastards and they should all be publicly executed for the common good."
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NSA tried to undermine anonymous network technology.
The documents raise doubts about the reliability of Tor to protect human rights workers, dissidents and journalists who rely on anonymity to avoid threats to their safety and freedom in countries like Libya and Syria.

The authors of one NSA slide deck acknowledge that Tor’s users include “Dissidents: (Iran, China, etc.).” But their next bullet point described another Tor constituency: “Terrorists!”

Fuck the NSA.
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Fuck the NSA.

Hah. Judge agrees with me.
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Judge Richard Leon declared that the mass collection of so-called metadata probably violates the fourth amendment, relating to unreasonable searches and seizures, and was "almost Orwellian" in its scope.

It's such a shame that Judge Leon is going to have a heart attack in the next 18 months or so. His replacement will be much more eager to agree with the government's lawyers.
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Russians helped him, say lunatics.
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DoJ sues background screening place. Why is this interesting?
USIS - which had vetted former spy agency contractor Edward Snowden - filed at least 665,000 flawed background checks between March 2008 and September 2012, which was about 40 percent of total submissions, the Justice Department said in a court filing on Wednesday.


But to be clear...
The lawsuit is not about the firm's review of Alexis or Snowden, who is wanted by the U.S. government for leaking documents about the surveillance programs at the National Security Agency.

Of course it's not.
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This administration is not vindictive at all. All republican lies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_IRS_scandal

http://www.businessinsider.com/geithne....-2014-1
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Post by Malcolm »

Up for the Al Gore's old award.

Here's someone deepthroating the entire US intelligence community.

Espionage is inherently disreputable: It involves stealing secrets.

Uh, no.

Snowdenistas have notably failed to explain why it is in the public interest to reveal how democracies spy on dictatorships or terrorists.

If they limited their shit to dictators and terrorists, I wouldn't care.

The catastrophic damage done by Edward Snowden dwarfs the impact of Cold War traitors and defectors.

No, I'm pretty sure the dude that gave the Russians the bomb immediately following WWII did worse. I'm pretty sure a fuckload of spies did worse.

Mr. Snowden's cheerleaders demand to know what right U.S. agencies have to bug and snoop. The answer is simple. America's spies (unlike those in most countries) are responsible to their elected leaders, and supervised by judges and lawmakers.

What colour is the sky in your fucking world?




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Number of terrorist attacks stopped by NSA intelligence gathering: [url=https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131 ... le-data-co
llection-stopping-terrorism.shtml]54[/url]. Unless you want them to provide specific details and proof. The number drops to 0 then.
The Government could have requested permission to present additional, potentially classified evidence in camera, but it chose not to do so. Although the Government has publicly asserted that the NSA's surveillance programs have prevented fifth-four terrorist attacks, no proof of that has been put before me.

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While Stone said the mass collection of telephone call records was a “logical program” from the NSA’s perspective, one question the White House panel was seeking to answer was whether it had actually stopped “any [terror attacks] that might have been really big.”

“We found none,” said Stone.
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For me, the problem with the assurances from the government and the NSA is that they’ve show that they will lie to our faces. Hell, they’ve lied in sworn testimony to congress about what they’ve been doing. So when they say they’re only collecting metadata on our cell calls, I don’t trust them. Tim Clemente, a former FBI counter-terrorism agent spilled the beans in a CNN interview about the Boston Marathon bombing that we can go back and listen to not only old voicemails, but old phone calls as well. So apparently they’re collecting more than they’re owning up to.

And speaking of the Boston Bombing… even with all the intrusive monitoring they do, and with Saudi Arabia, Canada and Russia (twice) telling us we needed to look into Tamerlan Tsarnaev because he might have been radicalized… we had dick. Apparently it wasn’t until the idiots knocked over a 7/11 that they even showed up on anyone’s radar.
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NSA -- ripping off your webcam images.
They show the surveillance programme – codenamed Optic Nerve – saved one image every five minutes from randomly selected Yahoo webcam chats and stored them on agency databases.

This was partly to comply with human rights legislation, and also to avoid overloading GCHQ’s servers.

Something tells me that the second item was more of a limiting factor than the first. Yet again, go fuck yourself, NSA.
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So I have heard that pre-legal teens often look at each other naked on their webcams. One wonders how much child porn the NSA is sitting on.
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GORDON wrote:So I have heard that pre-legal teens often look at each other naked on their webcams. One wonders how much child porn the NSA is sitting on.

It is all legitimate research, you terrorist sympathizer.
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They're totally regulated.
If it turns out that the CIA was spying on the Senate committee that oversees the agency, it would be an outrageous violation of separation of powers.
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