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Doesn't make him wrong.
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Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much. Really, is it necessary to slam the dead dude's character like that? Even so, only one of those would have any bearing on what may have happened to him.



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Ted always comes off like an asshole because he's blunt. However, as Gordo points out, he's not exactly wrong.

Trayvon Martin was not a 10 year old like the picture they constantly show. He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.

He did smoke dope, and I think most would describe him as a "hoodlum" based on his activities.
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Malcolm wrote:Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much.
Not when the MSM spends so much time glossing over those facts, and pretending he was just an innocent little boy walking home eating Skittles.

End of the day, Zimmerman caused the incident. However, Martin instigated the violence. He was slamming a man's head into the concrete.

I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.
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Trayvon Martin was not a 10 year old like the picture they constantly show. He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.

He did smoke dope, and I think most would describe him as a "hoodlum" based on his activities.

I heard no mention of any drugs besides bud. If that's enough to overshadow you when you get shot, then fuck, I guess it's open season. As for "being into things" ... shit, Ted's "into" both guns and booze (which seems a way more dangerous combo). Do I get to characterize him as a "dumb-ass tobacoo-chawin' redneck" because of it, as opposed to his adjectives for Trayvon based on second- and third-hand knowledge?

He was into drugs (selling and using), guns, and was into criminal activity.

Sounds like the vast majority of teenaged males walking around in this country. He ever arrested for carrying an unlicensed firearm? Arrested for possession? Arrested for shoplifting, burglary, breaking into cars? Anything?
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I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.

No, he's still 17. Which means he's still an idiot that probably acted in an overaggressive manner and shares some of the blame for this shit. He got killed, he got some retaliation in. How much of it was his initiative versus George is still up for practical debate, even if the legal question is settled.
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I heard no mention of any drugs besides bud.


He had drugs in his system.

If that's enough to overshadow you when you get shot, then fuck, I guess it's open season.


Apparently, the color of one's skin is enough to overshadow you having your skull bashed into the pavement in broad daylight, so yeah...fuck.

As for "being into things" ... shit, Ted's "into" both guns and booze (which seems a way more dangerous combo). Do I get to characterize him as a "dumb-ass tobacoo-chawin' redneck" because of it, as opposed to his adjectives for Trayvon based on second- and third-hand knowledge?


Of course you do, it's free speech. Don't be stupid.

And he's not basing it on second or third hand knowledge. This is all public record stuff.

Sounds like the vast majority of teenaged males walking around in this country.


Really? What do you base that on? How can you sit here and say people shouldn't make assumptions on Martin (even though they're based on actual evidence), and then you say something like that in the same breath?

He ever arrested for carrying an unlicensed firearm? Arrested for possession? Arrested for shoplifting, burglary, breaking into cars? Anything?


They have this new thing called Google. You should try it.

From the first link I found:
The teen was suspended from school three times
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness


But hey, let's ignore all evidence pointing to Martin being a "hoodlum", and instead let's get you back to calling people you've never met names based on a news report or a single quote they made.

(Come on, that was a fantastic shot... :D )

By the way, none of this changes the fact that Ted is right. Nobody gives a fuck that the #1 killer of black men is black men. Yet, the country gets all pissy when a non-black kills a black guy in self defense. Meanwhile, Christopher Cervini is wondering why you've never heard of him.
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Malcolm wrote:
I think we're beyond the "teenager" label at that point.
No, he's still 17. Which means he's still an idiot that probably acted in an overaggressive manner and shares some of the blame for this shit. He got killed, he got some retaliation in. How much of it was his initiative versus George is still up for practical debate, even if the legal question is settled.
No.

I mean in not being able to label him as a hoodlum.

Also, he didn't get ANY retaliation in. When George acted, the fight was over.

And just so we're clear, I don't think Martin should be dead. I think George should lose his civil trial based on the fact that he instigated the entire situation against police orders.
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It's a shame that all the people yammering about "stand your ground" laws have absolutely no idea what they are about. Or that lots of states have them. Or that they disproportionately benefet black defendants.
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He had drugs in his system.

Again, what kind? I heard positive tox for marijuana, which is detectable for a bit after the last use under certain circumstances. And so the fuck what? I wonder how many teens could pass a drug test at any random time.

How can you sit here and say people shouldn't make assumptions on Martin (even though they're based on actual evidence), and then you say something like that in the same breath?

Never met Trayvon. I've met lots of teenagers, some from the current day, some from back when I was one. When his parents called him "not confrontational" I immediately suspected bullshit. They are not known for keeping cool heads in heated situations. Some dude walking up on me in my neighbourhood and asking me what I was doing there would piss me off.

The teen was suspended from school three times
He was on suspension when he was shot in February, after officials caught him with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Trayvon was kicked out of school in October for graffiti after he was allegedly caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry
Officials also suspended him once for skipping school and tardiness

The only bit in there that seems not legit is the jewelry. Everything else doesn't set off any red flags.

I think George should lose his civil trial based on the fact that he instigated the entire situation against police orders.

Fuck that. Martial law has not been declared and cops are not my COs. I'm betting he really, really wishes he would have stayed in the car, though.




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Malcolm wrote:Calling out a teenager for being a "hoodlum" and "dope-smoking" is like calling out Richard Pryor for cursing too much. Really, is it necessary to slam the dead dude's character like that? Even so, only one of those would have any bearing on what may have happened to him.
The punk went and forced a confrontation because some cracker looked at him funny. The world is better without him. One less punk I need to worry about attacking me or my kid for whatever "diss" exists in his mind. Race doesn't even matter, his actions do.
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The world is better without him. One less punk I need to worry about attacking me or my kid for whatever "diss" exists in his mind.

That's exceedingly harsh. If everyone gets a life-or-death call before their 18th birthday on the stupid shit they've done/said, 95% of the American population would be dead. Fuck, I know I'd be.

Is the confrontation forced by George definitely being uppity and tracking him or Trayvon getting potentially uppity after being trailed in his dad's own fucking neighbourhood by some dude he doesn't know? In addition, for a punk kid who's supposed to be in to all these guns, drugs, gangs, theft, and school suspensions, it's funny he didn't at least have fucking weapon on him. Sounds like a hood rat wanna-be. Doesn't mean he should lose his breathing privileges. George acted like a well meaning but hyper aggressive hall monitor. There is, however, no proof he did anything illegal. That doesn't look to be doing him much good, though. I wonder if satisfying his paranoia that night was worth it for the next couple years of hiding out he's going to be doing.
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I'm not sure Zimmerman should lose the civil trial. If you are in a neighborhood that requires and actual, active, neighborhood watch, it implies there is stuff happening that the residents don't like. We see neighborhood watch signs all over the place. But how many of those neighborhoods actually 'watch' anything? If his neighborhood was a victim enough that the watch actually patrols, then that implies they have people doing stuff they don't like. So, as a patrolling citizen, seeing someone who is not from my neighborhood, no matter what color they are, shouldn't I keep an eye on them? If someone is milling about my yard, am I not allowed to confront them? Can't that be extended to my neighborhood. That I'm watching. As part of the neighborhood watch? And so I'm keeping an eye on someone that isn't from my neighborhood until they leave my neighborhood. Aren't I allowed to do that? And when that person attacks me. . . . well, just hope he's not black?

There are a lot of 'should have' stuff here. Trayvon should have just left. Zimmerman should have stayed in his car. Etc. But, I think Zimmerman had every right to confront someone that's in his neighborhood. To protect his neighborhood by watching it. In my opinion, Zimmerman did everything he had a right to do. Trayvon should have left, instead of being a punk and trying to beat the shit out of someone for following him. Why should he be punished for this?
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1. There were recent house robberies in the neighborhood, with the only.description of the thieves being 'black people.' I wonder if the robberies stopped after trayvon was dead.

2. Trayvon actually did make it all the way home before he decided to go back and pick a fight with the cracker who dissed him.

3. Exceedingly harsh? Bulshit, realistic. I never started a fight as a teenager, because even then I knew shit wasnt worth it even if it ddnt escalate, and I always expect it to escalate. This is america in 2013. You ALWAYS need to assume the other guy is packing.
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1. There were recent house robberies in the neighborhood, with the only.description of the thieves being 'black people.' I wonder if the robberies stopped after trayvon was dead.

Such pinpoint identification of the suspects.

2. Trayvon actually did make it all the way home before he decided to go back and pick a fight with the cracker who dissed him.

I seem to have missed the full transcript of the whole of their conversations that night. Maybe you can forward me your copy.

I never started a fight as a teenager

I must have also missed the crystal clear video of the confrontation showing Trayvon rushing George like a crazed bull. Again, forward me your copy.

So, as a patrolling citizen, seeing someone who is not from my neighborhood, no matter what color they are, shouldn't I keep an eye on them?

Shouldn't? Eh, maybe. Can you? Sure. I typically advise doing that shit in numbers greater than one, though. Even cops, who are allegedly trained in such things, don't like doing that solo.

In my opinion, Zimmerman did everything he had a right to do.

Just because you've got the right to do something doesn't mean you need to exercise it in every single opportunity presented to you where it could be conceivably used. You can be within your rights and still do something stupid, which is precisely what George did.

Why should he be punished for this?

Because popular opinion does not follow that of the courts. Which is why I would've stayed in the car. Then again, I wouldn't be on a neighbourhood watch gang in the first place.

To protect his neighborhood by watching it.

He's not just watching; he's actively patrolling.
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Oh my fucking god.
"It is devastating for my family to hear the comments from juror B29, comments which we already knew in our hearts to be true. That George Zimmerman literally got away with murder," Fulton said in a statement released Thursday through The Trayvon Martin Foundation. "This new information challenges our nation once again to do everything we can to make sure that this never happens to another child.

"That's why Tracy [Martin] and I have launched The Trayvon Martin Foundation to try and take something very painful and negative and turn it into something positive as a legacy to our son," Fulton added.

That's Trayvon's mother, thinking that children are somehow exempt from having anything bad happening to them, ever, even when they act in a likely stupid manner.
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Trayvon's mom fighting for repeal of self defense laws.

"Young violent punks should not be in fear for their lives when they attack someone."

http://www.foxnews.com/us....estnews

I may have made up that quote. Or did I?
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Federal officials are reviewing whether to charge Zimmerman with violating Martin's civil rights.

Not done messing with him yet, it seems. Jury verdicts be damned, he must be punished.




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"This is for Trayvon."

http://www.cnn.com/2013....=hp_bn1
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Too bad Zimmerman is hispanic. Stupid punks.
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