Ukraine

Post by **Vince** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:13 pm

Might as well make a thread on it. I suspect it'll be in the news quite a bit in the coming weeks.

Biden, Obama Officials Stood to Gain From Ukraine Influence

Post by **Leisher** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:44 pm

Didn't Obama stand to profit from that solar panel company he gave hundreds of millions to while he was in office? I vaguely remember that. I think Gordon was preaching about that one?

Post by **GORDON** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:18 pm

No one cared.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:18 pm

Leisher wrote: Didn't Obama stand to profit from that solar panel company he gave hundreds of millions to while he was in office? I vaguely remember that. I think Gordon was preaching about that one?

No. Unlike our current president, he put his assets into a blind trust, etc.

There was debate as to the legality of some of the moves, and certainly it looked bad that his administration made a bunch of loan guarantees to a company that quickly went kaput. But I have no memory, and couldn't find in a quick google search, any records of personal benefits.

Post by **Vince** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:45 pm

That was Solyndra. Obama did not directly benefit with that one, but when it went south, they "changed" the bankruptcy rules so that one of the investors (George Kaiser) that was a huge donor of his got to move to the front of the line to get his money from the defunct company before the taxpayers got their loan money back. So he indirectly got paid.

I think we'll find a lot of this in the Ukraine as well. Lots of Obama connected people were protected when the US ambassador told their anti-corruption group who and what they could and could not pursue. That included their being told to stop looking into what happened to the missing $7 billion in aide from the US that had disappeared.

Post by **TheCatt** » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:53 pm

Vince wrote: Obama did not directly benefit with that one, but when it went south, they "changed" the bankruptcy rules so that one of the investors (George Kaiser) that was a huge donor of his got to move to the front of the line to get his money from the defunct company before the taxpayers got their loan money back. So he indirectly got paid.

Ah, right. Shady.

Post by **Vince** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:59 am

Can't stand Sean Hannity, but he had John Solomon on. He's been doing most of the solid reporting on the Ukraine. Resume includes AP, The Hill, Washington Examiner, lots of awards.

He's reporting that US officials knew back in February of this year that the Ukrainian investigation into Burisma was being reopened. That takes a lot of the wind out of the notion that Trump was pressuring Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden. It was known that they already were.

Post by **Leisher** » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:37 am

I really think the Dems approach to this is to scorch the Earth. They want Trump taken down, and if it also takes down Biden and tarnishes Obama, they don't give a fuck. They'll happily run Hopping Rabbit Warren against Pence.

Post by **Vince** » Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:53 am

I think there are a lot of people that can get burned by the Ukraine thing and that's part of why they're going scorched earth. Probably a few Republicans as well.

Post by **Vince** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:01 am

Okay, so I'm seeing that Pelosi is telling her caucus that there will be no formal floor vote to launch the impeachment inquiry. This is kind of confusing.

Post by **GORDON** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:16 am

The bonfire was built and she was dared to light it?

Post by **Vince** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:48 am

I'm wondering if rules of swearing in and subpoenas come in to play for an official inquiry? Or maybe she has numbers that this would be damaging to a number of Dems from purple districts? Like I said, it's confusing that she'd push it this far and then ditch at the last minute.

Post by **Vince** » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:46 am

Okay, reading that the lack of a vote doesn't impact subcommittees ability to issue subpoenas and testimony. So thinking this is a "protect dems in purple districts" move.

Post by **Vince** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:06 pm

State Department official testified that he raised concerns about Hunter Biden’s Ukraine work in 2015

Original source is Washington Post, but I don't subscribe. So linking this article.

Also...

Biden never visited the Ukraine for doing the business of his business.

Post by **GORDON** » Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:10 pm

Again... what a brilliant way to take an almost untraceable bribe.

Post by **Vince** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 6:24 am

How 'Whistleblower' May Be Outed: Ties to Biden, Brennan, Schiff's Staff, Etc.

I'm starting to see why the press was becoming unhinged about the photoshop of the dog getting the medal. The press tends to do this with Trump once the current narrative is on the verge of collapsing. If this report about the whistleblower is true, the whole thing's about to collapse.

I told you one of the names to remember was Chalupa. Ciaramella was working with her in 2015-2016 with her Ukraine meddling. So the architect of the Ukrainian quid pro quo conspiracy theory was also a principal in the fabrication of the Russian Collusion conspiracy theory. Yeah, I can't imagine why the Democrats would be trying so hard to keep his name confidential.

Post by **Leisher** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:01 am

What is that site's reputation? I was expecting a typical right wing piece, but that seemed actually level headed. It was critical of both sides.

But yeah, pretty damning in terms of the whistleblower's identity.

Post by **Vince** » Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:13 am

Leisher wrote: What is that site's reputation? I was expecting a typical right wing piece, but that seemed actually level headed. It was critical of both sides.

But yeah, pretty damning in terms of the whistleblower's identity.

I'm really not sure of their politics. The site editor spent 28 years as a NYT editor, so it'd be hard to paint them as a right wing propaganda site. Not that the left won't as that is their MO with news reports they don't like.

Post by **Vince** » Tue Nov 12, 2019 2:55 pm

Post by **Vince** » Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:00 pm

I keep hearing that we pressured Ukraine to fire Lutsenko because he was corrupt, but I've yet to hear any specific example (much less an actual charge) of his corruption. This seems kind of odd. Even in this banana republic sham of an impeachment investigation or hearing or whatever this clown show is we're doing here, they're at least coming up with something specific to accuse Trump of.