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Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:46 pm
by Vince
Trump chose Myron Ebell, a global warming skeptic, to head his EPA transition team. So that's a plus.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:54 pm
by GORDON
Ha. That will calm down the idiots.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:24 pm
by Vince
We have entered that rare time in American history when Republicans have the WH and both houses of congress. In other words, the only time progressives think too much government is bad. Now would be a great time to push for the convention of states.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:48 pm
by GORDON
So does anyone think the Electoral College people will break the rules and vote Hillary? If so, what happens then?

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:24 pm
by TheCatt

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:30 pm
by thibodeaux
The lobby of my office building has CNN on all the goddam time. I was walking by this morning and some talking head jackass was saying "Trump's gonna do this, Trump has to do that." And I'm thinking: these are the clowns that got EVERYTHING wrong about Trump. Peak Trump! He'll never win the nomination! He'll never win the General.

Why are people still asking for their opinion? Isn't it obvious they're Jon Snow?

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:31 pm
by GORDON
I understood that reference.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:12 pm
by Vince
GORDON wrote:So does anyone think the Electoral College people will break the rules and vote Hillary? If so, what happens then?

That would be a monumental mistake of war starting proportions. I'm not one to think a civil war is around every corner, but I think that would trigger one.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:21 pm
by Troy
GORDON wrote:So does anyone think the Electoral College people will break the rules and vote Hillary? If so, what happens then?


No, I honestly think it will be a very smooth transition of power - and don't believe the hype about #CAEXIT or whatever. I've been seeing that posted on facebook only from friends who aren't in California. False trending, if you will.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:41 pm
by Malcolm
GORDON wrote:So does anyone think the Electoral College people will break the rules and vote Hillary? If so, what happens then?

No. You don't understand the sorts of people who are sent as representatives to that thing. They are barely people in this regard. They are machines of flesh and blood who take to mental programming like oxygen.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 12:11 am
by Leisher
Vince wrote:
GORDON wrote:So does anyone think the Electoral College people will break the rules and vote Hillary? If so, what happens then?

That would be a monumental mistake of war starting proportions. I'm not one to think a civil war is around every corner, but I think that would trigger one.


This.

Every fucking bit of the bullshit we're seeing out of the left right is the same bullshit we saw when Obama won. A state talking about seceding, people openly spouting hatred and disgust for the winning side, made up bullshit about bad stuff happening right out of the gate, etc.

With social media the vast scores of nobodies in this country are trying to make this election about them to get some attention. Soon Justin Bieber will do something stupid and everyone will move on. We'll have four years of grumbling, then we get to do it all over again.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:06 am
by Troy
a Hot Take from a way back friend who moved to Scotland years ago:

"I hope it keeps him up at night. The knowledge that he is not the future of America. That the youth of the country do not agree with his policies and that not matter how far he drags us back, all his workings will be unknitted once he is gone. That he can have no lasting impact on the country. That history will write him as a mere impediment to the social change we eventually achieve. I hope it eats him up inside. My only regret is that he won't live to see himself erased."

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 1:24 am
by Malcolm
Trump's ego insulates him from anything that might threaten him with details from the world outside his tiny mind and hands.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:48 am
by thibodeaux
Troy wrote:a Hot Take from a way back friend who moved to Scotland years ago:


Whatever. He moved, he doesn't have skin in the game.

I'm gonna put it right here: Trump is going to be one of our best presidents EVER. Except nobody will know it, because the media is going to bash him non-stop for 8 solid years.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:22 am
by Vince
Troy wrote:a Hot Take from a way back friend who moved to Scotland years ago:

"I hope it keeps him up at night. The knowledge that he is not the future of America. That the youth of the country do not agree with his policies and that not matter how far he drags us back, all his workings will be unknitted once he is gone. That he can have no lasting impact on the country. That history will write him as a mere impediment to the social change we eventually achieve. I hope it eats him up inside. My only regret is that he won't live to see himself erased."

This is probably more applicable to Obama than Trump. Aside from the ACA, almost everything Obama did was via executive order. All of that can be undone with... an executive order. Obama should have tried harder to play well with others. He might have had something that would last beyond the first year of his being out of office.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:29 am
by Vince
thibodeaux wrote:I'm gonna put it right here: Trump is going to be one of our best presidents EVER. Except nobody will know it, because the media is going to bash him non-stop for 8 solid years.

I am really hopeful that you are right. I really, really want to be wrong about him. But I will say now that if these lists of potential cabinet members are accurate then we've dodged the bullet of a borderline communist in Hillary for an FDR style socialist.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:36 am
by GORDON
All of the answers to the EC question were confident nos... But let's go back in time a week and I will.ask, "Do you think Trump will win?"

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:05 am
by Leisher
a Hot Take from a way back friend who moved to Scotland years ago:


Trump got 46% of the youth vote.

Your Scottish friend should stick to Scottish politics because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

That many kids voting for him is a staggering number because they're at the age when kids are typically more left leaning as they have no real world experience. On top of that is the fact that these kids are assaulted non-stop by their educators and entertainers with pro-left messages. Now as the youth of America faces the real world and gets a taste of paying taxes, raising kids, having responsibilities, etc. do you think that 54% or the 46% is going to grow?

I want to add here: 29% of Hispanics and 8% of black voters also voted Trump. Both are numbers that are growing. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/latino-leaders-trump-did-not-win-29-percent-hispanic-vote-n682291, but I would ask those leaders to really think about the numbers. Latino decisions seems to be about 5 people and says 18%, while all other national exit polls say 29%. But let's go beyond that. You're a Hispanic person and get called by a Latino organization about who you voted for, do you tell them the gringo or do you lie? And why would they lie to exit pollsters who are strangers and not from an organization in their own community?

I'm gonna put it right here: Trump is going to be one of our best presidents EVER. Except nobody will know it, because the media is going to bash him non-stop for 8 solid years.


I don't know how right Thib is about Trump being one of the best ever, but he couldn't be more correct about how the MSM will treat Trump. Some of it fairly due to some of the horrible things he's said during the campaign, most of it just because they don't like anyone that isn't a Democrat.

Going back to Troy's friend and bringing Thib's quote together, the real thing to watch is if the MSM and the established politicians learned from this election. Will the Dems realize that they've gone too far left? Did the left of the political world realize that name calling and public shaming only energized their opponents? Will the Republicans realize that they don't have to embrace their traditional base so much? Will the MSM realize that they are responsible for a lot of the anger that got Trump elected?

Sadly, I think, like Trump's entire campaign, people are going to discount his win and explain it away with whatever logic they subscribe to and it'll change nothing.

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:51 am
by TheCatt
I think Turmp will have some easy wins: rolling back a lot of regulation, but will cause a recession (ending nafta) that will get him out in 4 years, with spiraling national debt.

On the other hand, mexico has a lot more to lose from nafta, so maybe it'll be renegotiated and work out.

donald criticized for wondering where union members where, instead of at his rallies, 1 month ago

Yesterday, I read how the afl cio union was ready to work with trump on nafta, and today it's articles on how well he actually did with union members

Re: The First Trump term.

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:04 am
by TPRJones
Will the Dems realize that they've gone too far left? ... Will the Republicans realize that they don't have to embrace their traditional base so much?

No and no. It's not their fault, really. It's the nature of the first-past-the-post election methodology. In the inevitable two-party system it leads to the only answer to every questions is to go further away ideologically from the other party. There is no moderating force strong enough to overcome that pull to the extremes. The parties cannot become more moderate, although they can fall apart and be replaced by a new more moderate party ... that will then start that inexorable slide into partisan zealotry.