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GORDON 
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:23 |
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I remember something about a small fee for multiple streaming.. was that earlier in this thread?
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:24 |
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Meanwhile, TPR and I can watch whatever we want, whenever we want.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:36 |
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I dunno. I've been doing some kind of filesharing for 25 years now... At times it's been harder than others, but we'll see.
We buy some stuff here and there. The problem is that it's all sooooo inconvenient. I don't want physical media, and I don't want to be restricted on where I can watch something. Streaming doesn't work in a car/plane/slow Internet land. Hell, sometimes it doesn't work in a place with real Internet.
My wife asked about Red Box the other day. I said they only do big/recent releases. She then asked about Vudu - well, it doesn't work on our Xbox. She didn't want the monthly of Netflix, but even that, to work on XBox requires a Live account, we don't have. And has the other restrictions.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:40 |
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The PS3 now has Hulu Plus, Vudu, and 2 sports channels.... I forget which (NHL and Baseball, maybe? i dunno. doesnt sound right.).... in addition to Netflix. New within the last month, or so.
Hulu only has a 7 day free trial. I would sign up if it was a month, but 7 days is too short to really give it a spin, for me.
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:56 |
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Hulu is on the XBox too. If I could get ESPN without cable, I would probably cancel cable and get Hulu.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,07:57 |
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(TheCatt @ Sep. 07 2011,09:36)
QUOTE We buy some stuff here and there. Â The problem is that it's all sooooo inconvenient. I don't want physical media, and I don't want to be restricted on where I can watch something. Â Streaming doesn't work in a car/plane/slow Internet land. Â Hell, sometimes it doesn't work in a place with real Internet.
I no longer want - nor can even use - physical media. Â But from time to time if I liked something enough to want to support the artists that created it, I'll buy it anyway. Â Typically one or two movies or albums a month. Â Then when they come in the mail I throw them away, because I already have the digital versions I want. Â Seems wasteful, but what can you do?
Sometimes I find a better way. Â Like this one guy with music I liked that wasn't for sale digitally but he did have one other song on Amazon so I bought 8 copies of the same MP3 I didn't want to cover the cost of the album I would have tossed in the trash. Â Saved on shipping, still gave him money.
It's true that I do almost nothing to support the movie production companies or recording companies. Â The big boys of the industry see almost nothing from me, ever. Â But I don't feel bad about that one bit, considering how shitty they treat their consumers. Â When they get their heads out of their asses and start to let we the consumers have proper control over how we get our entertainment from them, then I'll consider starting to play by their rules again.
Netflix was - at one time - a good middle ground. But not anymore. At least not for me.
Edited by TPRJones on Sep. 07 2011,07:58
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,08:55 |
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I don't throw them away because the offend me, but because I really have no way to play it. I have no DVD player, and even my computer has no physical media drives. Â But if I gave it to you that would defeat the whole purpose of it, since now you wouldn't buy it. Â Nope, it must be purchased and then removed from circulation to count.
Of course I'd rather just get pay for it for digital (and DRM free and not tied to any specific platform or program) to begin with, but that's often not a legitimate option. Â *sigh*
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GORDON
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,09:01 |
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Trust me, I aint gonna buy DW5-BD when the price doesn't ever drop below $61 for 12 episodes.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Sep. 15 2011,13:33 |
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Stock drops 15%.
Edited by TheCatt on Sep. 15 2011,16:41
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Posted on: Sep. 15 2011,13:50 |
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Yikes.
Kind of screwed though when everyone wants to charge 10 times more for their content. Â I guess the cable companies are winning when they also own the internet lines.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Sep. 19 2011,06:28 |
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Qwikster is born.
The CEO of Netflix said the recent bad press over the price hikes were all his fault, and he owes everyone an explanation.
I think I'd ask him, "Do you really think separating your company into two entities helps to hide the price hikes?"
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Sep. 19 2011,06:32 |
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Well, what they really want to do is get out of the DVD business altogether. You don't just come up with a new company like this overnight, so no doubt this was the plan all along and pissing everyone off with the change in rental plans was just a by-product. Get the anger over with early - mostly directed at Netflix itself - and Qwikster has a slightly better chance of surviving. Â So smart move in that Netflix is now finally almost out of the DVD business. Â Mission Accomplished!
However, I don't expect much out of Qwikster. Â It'll struggle along for a little while, but it'll eventually shut down in a couple of years.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Sep. 19 2011,06:44 |
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I honestly don't give them enough credit to come up with that plan. I agree that Qwikster is doomed to fail, and they know that, but I would bet that Qwikster WAS conceived overnight.
It's right there in the title, QWIKster. 
Netflix was completely caught off guard in how many people were pissed about their price hike and dropped their service.
This move allows them to get those people back in a sneaky way, it's not called "Netflix"...nobody is mad at "Qwikster".
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Leisher
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Posted on: Sep. 20 2011,06:57 |
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I received this in my email today. I'm sure most of you did too...
Dear Leisher,
I messed up. I owe you an explanation.
It is clear from the feedback over the past two months that many members felt we lacked respect and humility in the way we announced the separation of DVD and streaming and the price changes. That was certainly not our intent, and I offer my sincere apology. Let me explain what we are doing.
For the past five years, my greatest fear at Netflix has been that we wouldn't make the leap from success in DVDs to success in streaming. Most companies that are great at something – like AOL dialup or Borders bookstores – do not become great at new things people want (streaming for us). So we moved quickly into streaming, but I should have personally given you a full explanation of why we are splitting the services and thereby increasing prices. It wouldn’t have changed the price increase, but it would have been the right thing to do.
So here is what we are doing and why.
Many members love our DVD service, as I do, because nearly every movie ever made is published on DVD. DVD is a great option for those who want the huge and comprehensive selection of movies.
I also love our streaming service because it is integrated into my TV, and I can watch anytime I want. The benefits of our streaming service are really quite different from the benefits of DVD by mail. We need to focus on rapid improvement as streaming technology and the market evolves, without maintaining compatibility with our DVD by mail service.
So we realized that streaming and DVD by mail are really becoming two different businesses, with very different cost structures, that need to be marketed differently, and we need to let each grow and operate independently.
It’s hard to write this after over 10 years of mailing DVDs with pride, but we think it is necessary: In a few weeks, we will rename our DVD by mail service to “Qwikster”. We chose the name Qwikster because it refers to quick delivery. We will keep the name “Netflix” for streaming.
Qwikster will be the same website and DVD service that everyone is used to. It is just a new name, and DVD members will go to qwikster.com to access their DVD queues and choose movies. One improvement we will make at launch is to add a video games upgrade option, similar to our upgrade option for Blu-ray, for those who want to rent Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 games. Members have been asking for video games for many years, but now that DVD by mail has its own team, we are finally getting it done. Other improvements will follow. A negative of the renaming and separation is that the Qwikster.com and Netflix.com websites will not be integrated.
There are no pricing changes (we’re done with that!). If you subscribe to both services you will have two entries on your credit card statement, one for Qwikster and one for Netflix. The total will be the same as your current charges. We will let you know in a few weeks when the Qwikster.com website is up and ready.
For me the Netflix red envelope has always been a source of joy. The new envelope is still that lovely red, but now it will have a Qwikster logo. I know that logo will grow on me over time, but still, it is hard. I imagine it will be similar for many of you.
I want to acknowledge and thank you for sticking with us, and to apologize again to those members, both current and former, who felt we treated them thoughtlessly.
Both the Qwikster and Netflix teams will work hard to regain your trust. We know it will not be overnight. Actions speak louder than words. But words help people to understand actions.
Respectfully yours,
-Reed Hastings, Co-Founder and CEO, Netflix
p.s. I have a slightly longer explanation along with a video posted on our blog, where you can also post comments.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Sep. 20 2011,08:03 |
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(TPRJones @ Sep. 20 2011,10:38)
QUOTE QUOTE Most companies that are great at something – like AOL dialup or Borders bookstores Really?  Those are his big shining examples?  Does he not know that AOL has been sliding downhill for almost a decade, and that Borders just closed it's doors for good? Not the sort of comparison he should really be making, I would think.
You missed the point of what he was saying there. He said they were great at what they did, but they failed to change. He was implying that Netflix is great at what it does, but if it didn't change it would wind up like them.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Sep. 20 2011,09:52 |
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Ah, okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I totally missed what he was saying there.
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Posted on: Oct. 08 2011,18:33 |
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Netflix down?
I just tried launching it and it said my PS3 was not a recognized device, then when I try to relog it in it says it can't.
And their webpage appears to be slow/broken.
So is it just me?
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