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Vince
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2015,15:00 |
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Arkansas to become the 20th state to pass a religious liberty bill along with the federal governments.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Mar. 31 2015,15:00 |
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QUOTE It got straightened out in the end. There's a lot of detail left out there.
QUOTE It was and it wasn't. Gray area. Context is important. I bet I can find someone that thinks your "straightening out" argument is just as contextual.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,05:05 |
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"Democrats are more interested in sanctions on Indiana than Iran."
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Vince
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,07:00 |
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The purposeful self delusion on what this law does is mind blowing. I'm so going Galt.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,09:00 |
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Yeah, there's lots of obfuscation happening, so I am just going to default to my "if hippies hate it it's most likely good" position. Too hard to get the real facts. Even the name of the law is misleading.
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TPRJones
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In defense of those worried it will be used to discriminate against homosexuals, when Governer Pence signed the bill standing around him for the photo op were some of the most horrible anti-gay activists alive today celebrating their win against the sinful. If this law is so innocent maybe someone should tell them they should stop being proud of what they accomplished because it's not about that.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,09:11 |
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It's not bigotry if it's a direct order from above.
-------------- Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,09:16 |
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If the bill limited shit to people's places of worship, I wouldn't mind so much. This bill invites litigation.
-------------- Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,09:32 |
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The bill could in theory be used to make Gay Jim Crow.
It shouldn't and it probably won't very much, but there will be at least a few incidents I'm sure.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,10:01 |
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(Vince @ Mar. 31 2015,17:00)
QUOTE Arkansas to become the 20th state to pass a religious liberty bill along with the federal governments. Nope. QUOTE Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson says he does not plan to sign the religious freedom bill that sits on his desk right now, instead asking state lawmakers to make changes so the bill mirrors federal law. The first-term Republican governor said he wants his state "to be known as a state that does not discriminate but understands tolerance." That'd be the gaystapo, GLAAD-happy gov of Arkansas saying the law might have some issues.
Edited by Malcolm on Apr. 01 2015,10:01
-------------- Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,11:19 |
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(GORDON @ Apr. 01 2015,11:11)
QUOTE "The end of tolerance, and rise of enforced morality." http://thefederalist.com/2015....orality QUOTE “The paradox is that even as America has become more tolerant of gays, many activists and liberals have become ever-more intolerant of anyone who might hold more traditional cultural or religious views. Thus a CEO was run out of Mozilla after it turned out that he had donated money to a California referendum opposing same-sex marriage. Part of the new liberal intolerance is rooted in the identity politics that dominates today’s Democratic Party… The same reversal of tolerance applies to religious liberty. When RFRA passed in 1993, liberal outfits like the ACLU were joined at the hip with the Christian Coalition. But now the ACLU is denouncing Indiana’s law because it wants even the most devoutly held religious values to bow to its cultural agenda on gay marriage and abortion rights.” This shit is hard for me to understand, and I think I am getting measurable stupider as I age, but is this law about the bakery refusing to bake a cake for the gay wedding? Hell, I don't know anymore. I do believe the freedom from religion folks are jumping on this bandwagon as well. No proof of that, but most of the hate is coming not from Christians, but from atheists. Almost to a person, every Christian business owner I've heard speak said they would never refuse any other service to a homosexual, but they we uncomfortable with the marriage thing. They are not discriminating against the people. They are discriminating against being part of a specific ceremony that they feel goes against their religious beliefs. And I think we've shit the first Amendment with this.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,11:59 |
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Indeed. The fundamental problem is that society has conflated a civil institution and a religious one into a single mish-mash. There either needs to be no legal effects of marriage, or it needs to stop being a religious thing. That's the only way to solve the problem.
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,14:08 |
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I like it if you mean someone getting "married" would also have to file for a civil union if they wanted to be counted as a couple under tax law and have spousal privileges and etc. The marriage part is just a church thing.
If you mean marriage is marriage and civil union is civil union and you get one or the other but not both, then I would say I don't think "separate but equal" is something that ever seems to work.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Apr. 01 2015,14:41 |
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Something tells me the priests and such won't give up this tradition without long, pointless fight.
-------------- Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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