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GORDON 
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2016,18:42 |
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There are always, always going to be more poor people from shitty places who want in. It's impossible we will continue to be able to take them all in forever. Might as well stop now while the place is still half-way nice.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2016,18:54 |
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As I said, when population density gets higher, I'll listen. As of right now, we have 12 non-Alaskan states coming in at under 50 per sq. mile.
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Alhazad
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Posted on: Mar. 23 2016,01:08 |
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Immigrants don't want to scrape out a life as a dirt farmer in scenic Wyoming and pass scenic dirt farming down to their children. If they did, they could stay in their own countries.
They want to go to New York Shitty, where the money is, and cram ten guys into a slum apartment on Misery St. so each can take home in a month what he earns in two years in Addis Ababa, so his kids have a shot at being vaccinated and learning a trade from the 20th century or better.
When there are real jobs in Wyoming, immigrants will flood into the state. Until then, it's a losing scratch-off ticket with three electoral votes.
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thibodeaux
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I don't have any objection to restricting immigration in ANY way. Exclusion based on religion, race, IQ, physiognomy...bring it on.
The reason shitty countries are shitty is because they're full of shitty people. Keep them out.
But let me make an argument that you might actually agree with:
I used to believe in the libertarian ideal of open borders. But, the problem is, we don't live in a libertarian state. We live in a welfare + surveillance police state. And immigrants (esp 3rd world ones) are, on average, even LESS libertarian than real Americans. So every immigrant we let in pushes even FURTHER from a libertarian state.
If we fix our existing problems, then fine. Until then, why invite in MORE people from, say, a culture where women are cattle? Why invite in MORE people from cultures with no history of liberty, of capitalism, of self-reliance? This does nothing to further the cause of liberty in the USA.
Yes, I get it: you don't want to discriminate. Well, fuck that. That's literally the last hill of libertarianism to die on. Fix taxation, fix the domestic spying, fix the other stuff, and THEN I'll be on your side on open borders.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Mar. 23 2016,04:59 |
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(thibodeaux @ Mar. 23 2016,07:50)
QUOTE I don't have any objection to restricting immigration in ANY way. Exclusion based on religion, race, IQ, physiognomy...bring it on.
The reason shitty countries are shitty is because they're full of shitty people. Keep them out.
Shit, instead of a whitelist I suggest a complete blacklist filter, everyone stays out, unless they have a REALLY compelling skill that no un/underemployed person in the US has. "Willing to pick vegetables for 11 hours a day for minimum wage" is not a compelling skill.
And a really harsh deportation process. If your papers aren't 100% in order, you are put in a cell on a ship within the hour and you'd better hope your home country will take you back, otherwise you're getting dropped off on a Styrofoam noodle 200 yards off shore.
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TPRJones
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Well, those vegetables aren't going to pick themselves, are they?
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GORDON
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(Malcolm @ Mar. 23 2016,10:19)
QUOTE QUOTE "Willing to pick vegetables for 11 hours a day for minimum wage" is not a compelling skill. Maybe there's a reason those types of jobs weren't filled by present citizens.
Don't care. One cruise missile on a corrupt presidential palace is cheaper than putting a family of economic refugees on welfare for 50 years and 3 generations.
I use those numbers because that is what I am told the excuse for black people in America is... they were denied access to the ladder for so long and they haven't figured out how to climb it yet, 52 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed, because white people are evil.
Well white people are still evil, so more likely than not an unskilled immigrant family is going to be on welfare for at least 3 generations. I just won the whole internet with that argument.
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TheCatt
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Leisher
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Posted on: Mar. 23 2016,11:22 |
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That cartoon is amazing in it's honesty.
Social warriors quick to condemn #stopislam hastag after Brussels terrorist attack.
So if you're keeping score at home, here's how this works:
-Muslims continue to commit acts of terror, but we CANNOT condemn all Muslims. That would be unfair and racist and all the other PC things you can apply to it. "Not all Muslims are terrorists. Just the Muslim extremists."
-If a guy or gal with a handgun walks into a school or office here in the U.S. and shoots someone, then ALL gun owners are violent sociopaths, and ALL Americans shouldn't have a gun, and the NRA is a terrorist organization, and all right wing people are blood thirsty and support these shootings by supporting Republicans.
Hopefully, that clears things up for everyone.
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TPRJones
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Yes, yes, their views are inconsistent. But then the other side is equally as inconsistent.
-Muslims are bad as a group and all must be kept out (even though only a small number are bad)
-Gun owners continue to kill people, but we CANNOT condemn all gun owners.
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Leisher
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That's a fair counterpoint.
However, do Muslims require background checks? Have they had their addresses posted in the local paper? Do they have to register with local law enforcement? If you commit a felony can you no longer be Muslim?
Also, a lot of these mass shootings have been committed by people who weren't gun owners, yet gun owners still get blamed. If Mormons bombed whatever arena the Utah Jazz play in, would Muslims still be blamed? (After it was proven to be Mormons...)
Are gun owners openly committing acts of violence against non-gun owners who speak out against them? Are they relocating to non-gun owning neighborhoods and attempting to force everyone there to buy a gun?
I realize we can go back and forth on this tomato/tomatoe thing all day. I'm not in favor of a massive ban on Muslims or anything like that, but at the same time I think it's ridiculous that everyone is supposed to pretend that their isn't a major issue in the Muslim community that's resulting in a lot of lost lives.
It's the same criticism I have with the black community here in the U.S. Jesse and Al are quick to jump in front of cameras and condemn racism every chance they get, yet we ignore that black people kill more black people each year than all other groups combined. We're not supposed to talk about that. We're not supposed to talk about black people's contributions to the slave trade or that people of all creeds and colors have been slaves or that slaves exist to this day. We're not supposed to discuss how black culture here in the U.S. celebrates violence, guns, drugs, etc. We're not supposed to discuss how more white people are killed by cops annually than black people or how black people have actually been over-represented at the Oscars and Hispanic/Asians are really the ones being left out, etc., etc., etc.
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TPRJones
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If you want to ban all people professing any religion, I think that would be a bit much but I wouldn't argue. But to focus on one religion you would need to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the vast majority of those professing that religion are guilty of committing violent acts. And they just aren't. It's a small minority. Prove that wrong and I may end up agreeing with you. But you can't because it's just not so.
As to not talking about things, I'm with you there. The societal censorship pressures growing over the past few years is not just unAmerican, it's going to cause all sorts of problems in the long run. And it's entirely hypocritical by those that are using it as a weapon.
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Leisher
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Posted on: Mar. 24 2016,09:29 |
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QUOTE If you want to ban all people professing any religion
To be clear, I don't.
QUOTE I'm not in favor of a massive ban on Muslims or anything like that,
However, the burying our heads in sand and pretending __ in certain groups is an anomaly has to end.
In related news and in the wake of the Brussels bombings, Poland tells refugees to fuck off.
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GORDON
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I do.
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