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Malcolm 
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(GORDON @ Feb. 04 2015,15:57)
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(GORDON @ Feb. 04 2015,16:23)
QUOTE I would ask if there has been a change in the definition of "autism" in that time frame. For example, is severe shyness, introspection, or just being a spergelord with no social skills considered autism, now? Â That wouldn't have been diagnosed 20 years ago when everyone wasn't a special snowflake.
This thing. Whenever it's updated (average is about once per decade), lots of shit changes due to new research, especially in areas where there's lots ongoing, like autism.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,14:13 |
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(Vince @ Feb. 04 2015,15:07)
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QUOTE Uh ... they don't think there's a single thing causing autism. Â It's a state the brain gets into by one of multiple paths. Â The reason there's been a "spike" in autism in the recent past is that they've put more effort into recognizing and diagnosing it. I agree that's a lot of it, but the rates have gone from something like 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 65. Â Now part of that is also the old "when you're a hammer everything looks like a nail", but I don't think those two things can account for all of it. * Updating my numbers. Â Was measured at 1 in 2,500 in the 70's and is now 1 in 68.
The first makes no difference. However many ways there are to become autistic seems moot. Any one mechanism will do.
The second is huge because there's no chemical test or brain scan or any 100% objective way to diagnose it. Â It's entirely based on behaviour. Â This isn't a gene suddenly switching on due to some retard type of plastic we're using or vaccinations or nuclear waste or something we've only started doing in the last 30 years. Â It's shit that has been going on for quite some time and we are rapidly changing our views on it, and therefore our ability to recognize it. Â There are strong genetic tendencies at play, but it's not of the "we're mutating into a race of Rain Men" variety.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,14:47 |
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(Vince @ Feb. 04 2015,14:48)
QUOTE I'm talking about all the other adverse reactions from vaccines that have been documented on a case by case basis. Reactions that include, but are not limited to paralysis, seizures, brain damage and death.
Oh, okay.
Those things can also be caused in similarly rare cases by peanuts, various fruits, honey, milk, aspirin, some laundry detergents, and cough medicine. Better make sure your kids don't get any of those, either, just in case.
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,18:41 |
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Given the choice between chicken pox and possible paralysis, I'll go with the chicken pox. Small Pox or polio are a different story. Point is, it should be the parents choice on things like a chicken pox or measles vaccine.
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GORDON
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,18:47 |
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http://www.roalddahlfans.com/articles/meas.php
QUOTE Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old. As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of coloured pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn't do anything.
"Are you feeling all right?" I asked her.
"I feel all sleepy," she said.
In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.
The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her. That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,03:23 |
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And my personal choice would probably be to immunize. Now... where are all these cases coming from?
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,10:55 |
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When parents don't quite follow medical advice. But hey, they should be free to test dangerous, insane theories at the cost of their children's lives.
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"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,11:15 |
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Up until the mid 70's, the military packed smokes with their MREs. Individuals will make poor choices. Sucks for their kids. I really do have great empathy for them. When the government chooses poorly for everyone, the resiliency of us as a society is compromised.
I find the irony in that it's the same ones that say we have to only consider Darwin's theory when educating that are trying to say that it apparently doesn't work in the real world because only the state can choose what is the fittest to survive, otherwise the species will all die.
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,11:23 |
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Baaaa... baaaa....
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TheCatt
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,12:57 |
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,13:03 |
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The hit Obama took in the polls for Ebola is why they aren't asking where these measles cases are coming from and focusing on asking politicians about views on vaccinations instead.
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,11:01 |
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Autism org: vaccinate your damn kids.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,11:14 |
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Interesting
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Malcolm
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,11:25 |
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(Vince @ Feb. 06 2015,13:14)
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Not really.
QUOTE Dr. Max Wiznitzer, a pediatric neurologist at Rainbow Babies and Children's Hospital in Cleveland, said the design of Hooker's study is questionable, and that his analysis is "not fine-tuned enough to give you meaningful information."
"If you analyze data enough times and enough ways, you're bound to find something that is statistically significant," said Witznitzer, after looking at both studies. "This does not mean that the result is a true positive (vs. a false positive) or meaningful."
Numbers do not lie. They are, however, misinterpreted.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Vince
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,11:48 |
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I don't know if there is a link or not. To be honest, I kind of doubt it. But the CDC did willingly skew their study. And they're the ones telling us that everyone else is lying.
Safe to say, I don't trust the CDC at this point either. Just glad I don't have to worry about it.
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