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Malcolm 
I disagree.
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Posted on: Aug. 10 2015,11:30 |
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(Leisher @ Aug. 10 2015,13:04)
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(Leisher @ Aug. 10 2015,12:43)
QUOTE Student loans costs are presently bullshit, but that's because the big schools can get away with insane prices. College is bullshit for most people and professions, but the way to fix that isn't to make taxpayers fund a free ride for everyone. Especially not in an election cycle when it's clearly a way to buy votes.
Having the gov't pay for about 50% of a degree for an in-demand field or hard science wouldn't be a bad thing. Saddling your grads with tens of thousands of dollars in debt is about as stupid as you can get.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
I disagree.
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(Alhazad @ Aug. 10 2015,14:06)
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(Malcolm @ Aug. 10 2015,11:30)
QUOTE Having the gov't pay for about 50% of a degree for an in-demand field or hard science wouldn't be a bad thing. Â Saddling your grads with tens of thousands of dollars in debt is about as stupid as you can get. Well, it's at least as stupid as the tradition of choosing a field of study based on a snapshot and a hunch, with zero months of actual adult job sampling in the field.
If they saw what jobs were actually like, they'd be in a better position to call out all the bullshit in college. Can't have that.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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TPRJones
I saw The Fault in our Stars opening night.
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Four year university prices are disgustingly inflated to the point of horseshittery. It's a system that's been propped up for decades by government money, and now that the government money has been drying up more and more gets pushed onto the students to the point of absurdity. This is compounded by the fact that it's treated in the same way medical care is; damn the price you better go to the best school you can or you'll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life. But of course that's self-reinforcing bullshit perpetuated by college graduates.
Two-year colleges are better. They're a little overpriced right now due to the decreases in government money but they weren't already wildly inflated like the four-year schools and generally have to tighten up the belt and act like a real business because the students they serve often just can't afford tuition hikes.
Although even the two-years are somewhat insulated from real economic pressures. Not all programs can be profitable without seriously jacking up the prices. We charge the same per credit hour whether you are taking a cheap-to-produce English course or a money-loosing Welding course. But the world still needs welders so until a better system replaces it it's all we've got.
What we don't need is more students getting a four-year academic bullshit degree and ending up with insane student debt they will never pay off in their lifetimes. That's wack.
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Malcolm
I disagree.
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(GORDON @ Aug. 10 2015,18:14)
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(Leisher @ Aug. 10 2015,12:43)
QUOTE Student loans costs are presently bullshit, but that's because the big schools can get away with insane prices. TPR will argue, but that's because their target market is easily given massive loans to pay for it. Â If colleges actually had to work with real economics in their operation, things would be a lot different
I say stop the willy-nilly loans. Most children are bad investments in college. We're barely above a 50% graduation rate with a six-year time window. If you get more brutal and toss out the more worthless degrees, the useful grad rate has to be below 50%.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
I disagree.
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Most of my loans when through private banks.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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Malcolm
I disagree.
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More info on emails.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
90%
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I have a dollar that says Hillary's personal IT guy is going to take the fall for her email server.
"It was our understanding that encryption was in place, and all procedures were being followed. Mr. IT Guy assured us we were in compliance with all regulations. We feel we observed our due diligence and are culpable for no wrongdoing. Hillary '16."
And then she'll win.
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Leisher
Top 3%, yo.
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150 classified emails.
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Malcolm
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Troll resurfaces.
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Diogenes of Sinope:
"It is not that I am mad, it is only that my head is different from yours."
"Other dogs bite only their enemies, whereas I bite also my friends in order to save them."
Arnold Judas Rimmer, BSC, SSC:
"Better dead than smeg."
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GORDON
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(GORDON @ Aug. 13 2015,15:23)
QUOTE I have a dollar that says Hillary's personal IT guy is going to take the fall for her email server.
QUOTE Pagliano is a former IT staffer who worked for Clinton and assisted with her email and server.
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